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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1965 04 13 CC MIN1965 04 13 CC MINHÄ—@¸—.¡Í«I 2304 ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE BALDWIN PARK CITY COUNCIL APRIL 13, 1965 CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBER) 14403 East Pacific Avenue 7:30 P.M. The City Council of the City of Baldwin Park met in adjourned regular session at the above place at 7:30 p.m. Mayor Morehead led the salute to the flag. FLAG SALUTE Roll Call: Present: COUNCILMEN ADAIR, CRITES, ROLL CALL GREGORY, MCCARON AND MAYOR MOREHFAD Absent: CITY ATTORNEY FLANDRICK, PLANNING DIRECTOR CRIVET'TA, FINANCE DIRECTOR DUNCAN, ACTING CHIEF' OF POLICE ADAMS AND CITY TREASURER PUGH Also Present: CHIEF' ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICER NORDBY, CITY ENGINEER FRENCH, BUILDING SUPERITI-EN KALBFLEISCH, AND CITY CLERK BALKUS 00- Mayor Morehead announced that the regular meeting of ADJ. MTG. FOR April 7, 1965, had been adjourned to this evening for DISCUSSION OF PARKS discussion of the parks and recreation situation; that AND RECREATION SITU( Mrs. Gregory bad brought this matter up under New Business TION at the last regular meeting. Councilwoman Gregory stated this meeting would afford the City Council and the Park Board members a chance to sit in a joint meeting to discuss the subject, recreation in Baldwin Park; that she was hopeful this would be the first of many such meetings called to apprise the people most interested in recreational needs as to what the needs are, how they can best expedite the program and most importantly the end result, a more expanded recreational program with the city, ac#mools, and park district working together. She invited the Park Board members present and Mr. Lucas to be very active in the discussion stating she hoped this would be a very informal meeting. She read a short history of of the facts pertaining to Morgan and Barnes Park and mentioned the memorandum from the Rosemead Administrative Officer to the Rosemead City Council regarding Recreation and Park District Law and the memorandum from the Rose- mead City Attorney to the Rosemead City Council regard- ing the Recreation and Park District. Discussion followed wherein Mr. Francis J. Gregory, 4529 FRANCIS J. GREGO North Walnut, Baldwin Park, explained the organization 4529 l- Walnut, and reorganization of the Park District stating that B. Pk. the Los Angeles County Board of Supervisors was the Supervising Authority and the Board of Directors; that to make an Elective Board of Directors there would have to be a dissolution of the Park District as it was now and by a vote of the people stating that an Elective Board was desired; that the City taking over the parks was not the subject before the Council this evening; that the Prime objective was asking the Board of Super- visors to appoint people to be on the Board of Directors; that this would bring the Dtrectio=s into the City of Baldwin Park. Councilwoman Gregory stated that there were three actual unsuccessful attempts for the dissolution of the parka: An election on June 30, 1958, Proposition k on the elec- tion of June 7, 1960, and at the conclusion of the February 5, 1962, Baldwin Park City Council Meerting it bad been decided that the matter would be put on the ballot in June, however it- did Dot come to the vote of the people at that time. Continued) BIB] 39576-U01 1965-U02 04-U02 13-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9994-U03 FO116848-U03 DO116907-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 5/1/2008-U04 ROBIN-U04 ADJOURNED-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1965 04 13 CC MINHÄ—@¸—.¡Í«Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council April 13, 1965 Page 2 Mayor Morehead asked Mrs. Gregory's opinion concerning action of the City of Rosemead with. respect to parks. Councilwoman Gregory stated she had read the City of Rosemead's Resolution No. 64-47 and that she.pereonall.y did not agree with it. She read the resolution in full. She brought out that Morgan Park was not County owned, it was only County administrated; that Barnes Park was County owned. Councilwoman Gregory asked Mr. Lucas if Barnes Park were transferred to the District would there be better manage- ment. Mr. Lee Lucas.- Administrator of the Baldwin Park, Park and Recreation District.- stated br.was not at the resent time; that improvements should be made by the County before a transfer to the District. We Francis J. Gregory Atated there vas-a letter stating that the County would pay for the sever assessments at Barnes and Morgan Park; that in the Barnes Park area the streets were not widened to the full capacity Patr;tti);that he believed if the City asked the County to improve with paving.- curb and gutter the County would do so as they owned the land. Councilman McCaron asked what was being proposed this evening. Councilwoman Gregory stated there was a need to expand; that the Park District operating with an Advisory Board probably was not as effective as if there was rule closer to home. She asked Mr. Lucas if he thought the recrea- tion could be expanded into the schools with the set up that now existed. Mr. Lucas stated it could be done; that the question involved was the amourt of money that went into overhead; that a Legal Board establi3hed locally would have the right to establish a ree:reational personnel section which would cut down on the overhead which could conceivably run as high as sever teen per cent 17%); that at the present time any school district could enter into a contract with the County of Los Angeles for school prog_ram supervision; that ethically and professionally the School District probably would con- tact the Baldwin Park Recreation and Park District to work out a Joint program but they would not nececoarily have to do so. Councilman Mr-Caron asked how it was proposed to gain control of Morgan Park as well as Barnes Park in order to make if feasible to have direct communication. Mr. Lucas stated the district would still control the pro- graming and the supervision; that theonly thing that the County maintains at Barnes Park was the title to the property itself; that the Parks and Recreation District was operating Barnes Park at the present time as they did Morgan Park; that the operational budget vas theirs; that at any given time the existing authorities could request transfer of that property; that the County set aside money for improvements on any County owned land; that assessment mz4o came from the County General Fund; that capitol improvements came from Park District Funds; that it might be that the County would still be responsible for the improvements after the title was transferred but this was a legal question that perhaps the City Attorney could anever. Councilman McCaron stated as he understood sewers would be the only thing the County would be responsible for at Barnes out of funds other than funds collected in the local district. LEE Lump Administ tor of the B.Pk... Park and Recrea- tion District Continued) BIB] 39576-U01 1965-U02 04-U02 13-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9994-U03 FO116848-U03 DO116907-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 5/1/2008-U04 ROBIN-U04 ADJOURNED-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1965 04 13 CC MINHÄ—@¸—.¡Í«Adjourned Regular Meeting of".the Baldwin P rk'City Council April 13, 1965 Page 3 23:06 Mr. Lucas stated this was true at Morgan Park; that at Barnes he would like to ask the formal question and see if this park did not fall into the same category. Councilwoman Gregory stated she believed when Mr. Hanes, Executive Assistant to Mr. Norman Johnson, was out and was questioned that he bad stated the improvements in and around Barnes Park area would be out of the General Funds rather than District Funds. Mr. Bernard Martin, of the Park Board, stated if Barnes BERNARD MAMIN, would stay with the County, in his opinion, this would Park Board Member not hurt the City because he imagined the County would still operate it as a County Park and then the tax- payers of Baldwin Park would be getting some of their tax dollars back which they should be getting. He sited Arcadia as an example. Mr, F ancia Gregory stated that the Arcadia Park was a Regional Park; that the County Resolutions state that any park within any city had to be maintained by the city or the district; that the County would not operate Barnes Park as it was within the City. Further discussion followed concerning the improvements that the Councy would pay for. Mr. Francis Gregory stated, in his opinion, the City could not be left out of recreation in Baldwin Park; that the park lands the City had should be developed; that the East San Gabriel Planning Committee was in- viting Social Planners to their organization; that recreation today was a major thing to be considered; that the three public agencies school, park and city) under State Law could, and should, work together. Mr. Harry Eugene Hastings,of the Park Board,stated there HARRY EUGENE bad been a lot of doubt in some of the people's minds.. HASTINGS, especially the Park Board members, that there was a Park Board Member possibility of the City taking over the operation of the parks; that those who were considering the reorganiza- tion of the Park Board did not have any intention of this; that they were trying to see if it was adaptable to reorganize the Board to make it a legal agency which then could sit down with the City Council and School Board and enter into contracts; that as it now was they were an Advisory Board and the County Board of Super- visors were actually the Governing Agency for the Park District; that it was their thinking to reform the Board only. Mayor Morehead asked what would be the disadvantage of the City taking over the parks as prescribed by the 1963 Law after the County has paid for the Sewer Assess- ment. Mr. Hastings stated by maintaining a separate park dis- trict a separate taxing agency was maintained; that all monies collected for recreation would be put into the recreation fund, it would not be put into a General Fund where if an emergency came up depleting the General Fund the recreation department would have to wait until the following year for additional monies. Mayor Morehead stated under the 1963 Law the recreation fund would be separate from the General Fund. We Hastings stated further that, in his opinion, to a greeter degree there would not be too many disadvantages. Continued) BIB] 39576-U01 1965-U02 04-U02 13-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9994-U03 FO116848-U03 DO116907-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 5/1/2008-U04 ROBIN-U04 ADJOURNED-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1965 04 13 CC MINHÄ—@¸—.¡Í«Adjourned Regular Meeting of-the Baldwin Park City.Council April 13, 1965 Page4 Councilwoman Gregory stated that the Park Board would still be an Advisory Board under Rosemsad's procedure; that the length or the terms were drawn by lot. Chief Administrative Officer Nordby stated he bad bad a discussion yesterday with Mr. Farrell of Rosemead and Mr. Farrell bad stated that the County rather than the District still retained the funds; that he Mr. Nordby) was in accord with this; that it was his understanding that the new Board of which the City Council appointed three members and the Board of Supervisors two members would continue to be reappointed; that to further strengthen the Board to represent the community the County Board of Supervisors bad appointed two members which the City Council recaamended. Mr. Hastings stated he understood that Rosemead bad appointed three of their Council members to be on the Park Commission; that be would be rather hesitant to offer up a suggestion like the situation that ROsemead bad with three Council members on the Park Commission; that his suggestion would be for the Advisory Board that there would be one 1) appointed by the Council, one 1) appointed by the Chief Administrative Officer, one 1) appointed by the School District Board, one 1) appointed by the School Administration and the four members M IM a suggestion to the City Council for the fifth member of the Board. Councilman McCaron stated he did not seean advantage to this program unless both City parks could be acquired and run by the same Board and the City would be saving the taxpayers money by doing this. Mr. Hastings stated that Barnes and Morgan were both operated under the Park District; that the County owned the land and this was all in Barnes Park. Mr. Gregory stated he would like to we the five members of the Park Board that they had now bey appointed; that in the State Educational Code under a joint operation of this type one 1) member of the Board of Trustees bad to belong on the Board and he could be ex officio; that. the way he saw it it would be the five 5) men from the old Park and Recreation Board, one 1) person from the Board of Trustees from the School, ex officio, and one 1) member of the Council, ex officio, on this Board; that the Administrator would be the Secretary of the Board. He stated that it would be that legal questions be answered by the City Attorney and engineering questions by the City Engineer under this program. He stated that the City Council at a regular meeting could not handle parks and recreation matters; that they would have to adjourn to a parks and recreation meeting. He mentioned that matters could be expedited faster with the City Council as the Legal Board. Further discussion followed wherein it was brought out that the Board of Supervisors would be the Taxing Agency under the program that Rosemead bad. Councilman McCaron stated be would like to have a more comprehensive report on this matter. Discussion followed. 00- At 8:47 p.m. Councilman McCaron left, the Council Chamber. 8:47 P.M. COUNCIL MAN MCCARON LEFT COUNCIL CHAMBER BIB] 39576-U01 1965-U02 04-U02 13-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9994-U03 FO116848-U03 DO116907-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 5/1/2008-U04 ROBIN-U04 ADJOURNED-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1965 04 13 CC MINHÄ—@¸—.¡Í«Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council April 13, 19 8 COUNCILWOMAN GREGORY MOVED THAT COUNCILMAN MCCARON BE COUNCILMAN MCCARON EXCUSED.* COUNCILMAN AD AIR SECONDED.' There were no ob- EXCUSED Sections, the notion carried and was so ordered by Mayor Morehead. 00- i I Councilman Crites asked if the Park Board as the City had now was a Taxing Agency as such. Mr. Lucas stated that the Advisory Board was merely a communication channel from the service clubs; that they had no authority at all except to make recommendations to the County Department of Parks and Recreation who act as the Legal Authority for the District; that the Board of Supervisors was the Supervising Authority or the Taxing Authority; that the reorganization would give the local Council the Legal Authority. Mr. James Q. Gibson., 13268 East Francisquito, Baldwin JAMES Q. GIBSON, Park, stated there was a ceiling on the park tax now of 13268:E* Francis- $,50 and asked if it we not possible for the local quito, B. Pk. Advisory Board to recommend a raise in tax rate. Mr. Lucas stated they could advise the Budget Representa- tive from the County of Los Angeles to do this; that the recommendation was usually not refused. Mr. Leo Caproni, 3934 Hornbrook, Baldwin Park, asked LEO CAPRONI, Mr. Lucas if he found that generally the Board of 3934 Hornbrook, Supervisors went along with all of the recommendations B.Pk. of the Park Board. Mr. Lucas stated yes and no; that the Budget Analyst may eliminate some of the items; that once it was sub- mitted to the Board of Supervisors it was generally accepted as presented. Mr. Caproni stated the expediting of matters would be a real advantage as far as the City Council-being the Legal Authority. Mr. Martin asked if the park was dissolved would this take the Board of Supervisors completely out of the picture. Mayor Morehead stated yes. Mr. Martin explained that the administrative costs of the County were $10,000 last year and $14,000 this year; that it had only been in the last two years that interest had been given on the tax money the County had; that if it were dissolved and the money kept locally there would be more interest than they had now; that the people that were now working in the park were County employees under Civil Service; that the people in the Park District were paying for retirement that the City employees did not have; that if it was dissolved things would be more equal. Councilwoman Gregory stated there was the maximum $.50 tax rate and how would we" go about getting that if it were city owned. Mr. Martin stated if it was worded right on the ballot it would go over. Mr. Lucas stated if the Park District were dissolved the Chief Administrative Officer would then have the problem of figuring out what the City's administrative costs would be. I Continued) BIB] 39576-U01 1965-U02 04-U02 13-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9994-U03 FO116848-U03 DO116907-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 5/1/2008-U04 ROBIN-U04 ADJOURNED-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1965 04 13 CC MINHÄ—@¸—.¡Í«Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council April 13, 1965 21109 Page 6 Mr. Gregory stated if the. park district was, taken over by the City the money woul&be put into the General Fund; that the State Iaw only allowed $.05 for recrea- tion; that he did know that certain taxes dould be used for recreation, however if there was a disaster draining out the General Fund the City could not guarantee anyr thing but the $,-05; that now as it was there was a guarantee of $,50 if they wanted it; that it was $.30 at the present time In answer to a question by Councilman Crites., Mr. Gregory stated that, the State allowed a General Law City $.05 beyond weir tax rate for recreation purposes only. Mr. Gibson stated it would seem that Mrs and Mrs. Gregory do not agree; that Mrs. Gregory seemed to be in favor of complete disaolution of the park. Councilwoman Gregory stated no. She would like to see both parka under, the District.) Mr. Gibson brought out that as far as he could see that the only thing to be gained would be in expediting matters; that he could not see economy in this move at all; that he was not at all opposed to the City taking over the parks if it could be proved to him that it was the moat economical way. Further discussion follow-ed between Mr. Gibson and Mayor Morehead wherein Mayor Morehead brought out that a General Law city was limited to a $1.00 tax rate; that if it reached $1.00 it could go to $1.05, $.05 of which would be for recreation only. Mr. Gregory brought out that he was working on the Santa Fe Dam Regional Park; that this project was started ten 10) years ago; that the Board of Supervisors last year took some of the recreation money to fight the Santa Monica mountain fire. Mayor Morehead stated, at the present timee, he would strongly consider the Rosemead plan over complete dissolution. Councilwoman Gregory stated in asking for this adjourned meeting she bad in mind to point out the deficiencies in recreation in.Baldwin Park; that, in her opinion, recreation should be brought up to what the needs of the City require; that she would go on record as saying that the people would be also in favor of it to see that their children had the advantages that that she believed that the district could other cities have, carry this City very well without the City's intervention; that she felt that the Park District could do whet it wanted to do; that what was needed was unity and a method to take the administration and bring it into the City. Mr. Gibson asked if there had been anyone in the school administration who had. expressed that they would not work with the local board with or without the City. Councilwoman Gregory stated at one time there was a statement made that the School Board did not want to work with an Advisory Board or even the long range plan through the County for a wide scale use of--facilities and grounds and so forth. Further discussion followed between Mr. Gibson and Councilwoman Gregory. Continued) BIB] 39576-U01 1965-U02 04-U02 13-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9994-U03 FO116848-U03 DO116907-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 5/1/2008-U04 ROBIN-U04 ADJOURNED-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1965 04 13 CC MINHÄ—@¸—.¡Í«I Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Mr. Gregory stated he would like to know what the Park Board Members present thought about it. Mr. Martin stated he was not against the City operating the parks although the district was formed by a vote of the people and it should be dissolved by the people; that Mr. Eisner kept bringing up the idea of the cities getting more park lend; that he thought a survey should be made as to what the other cities have including the number of parks, number of acres and so forth. Mr. Al Imam, 3131 North Maine, Baldwin Park, stated that although the dissolution of the parks had failed three times he felt if it was initiated at the present time it would go over; that he felt that the necessary steps should be taken when the time comes to take over the perk; that he had served eighteen 18) years as a member of the Park Board. Mr. James Jersa, Big I ton Avenue, stated, in his opinion, it should be left up to the voters. Mrs. C,.be Rebidart, Merced Avenue, stated she felt as Mr. Hastin(:: Mr. Mrtin and Mr. Jerea felt that this was started by the people and if the district was to be changed it should come by the vote of the people; that whenever a home or a group of homes were built she felt that so mach land should be set aside even if it was just a- walk through perk. Councilman Adair stated he agreed with Mr. Martin that there should be a survey of the surrounding towns. Councilwoman Gregory stated, for the people who thought that the parks should be dissolved, that to the City's tax rate if we should apply the $.29 that would bring the City tax to approximately $.90 and there would not be very far to go before hitting the dollar sign and there was a lot further to go in recrea- tion. In response to Mr. Gibson, Councilwomen Gregory stated the $.50 died with the dissolution of the parks; that discussion had been made to buy land and improve land and she asked with what? Chief Administrative Officer Nordby stated there we. a Statuatory limit of $1.00 which could be levied by a General Law city; that the people, by vote, could exceed that $l.OO. Further discussion followed. Mr. Hastings reviewed the amount of money that would be lost by the complete dissolution of the Park District as follows: County 1W0.00 last year's assessment) Irwindale 610.00 West Covim $112 00 30730.00 Mayor Morehead thanked those who bad attended this meeting for their comment and their interest. 00- City Engineer French reviewed his report which stated that the City Attorney bad prepared an agreement for the furnish- ing of design of the City storm drains as part of the 1964 Storm Drain Bond Issue; and that the agreement had been signed by the engineers in accordance with the recommenda- tion of the City Council. He recommended that the agree- ment be approved and the Mayor and City Clerk be authorised to sign said agreement with Johnson, lane sn and Malsh). Continued) April 713, 1965 2c-to Page AL LLNM, 3131 N. Maine, B.Pk. JAMES JERSA, Big Dalton Avenue MRS. GABE ROBIDART, Merced Avenue AGREEMENT STORM DRAIN DESIGN 19611 ST I DBA BOND ISSUE AND 1958 STORM DRAIN BOiIPD ISSu scuts IADAW, JOMW WALS BIB] 39576-U01 1965-U02 04-U02 13-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9994-U03 FO116848-U03 DO116907-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 5/1/2008-U04 ROBIN-U04 ADJOURNED-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1965 04 13 CC MINHÄ—@¸—.¡Í«Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park city council COUNCILWOMAN GREGORY MOVED THAT THE AdROM BE APPACirED AND THE MAYOR AND CITY CLHEK AUTO TO SIGN. COUNCIL- MAN CRITES SECOMM.- The motion carried by the follaving votes AYES: COUNCILMEN GBORY, CFI=, ADAIR AND MAYOR MORAD NOW s NONE ABSMIT: COUNCILMAN MCGAAOIQ M00- Councilwomen Gregory asked that the Chief Administrative Officer, along with whoever, be thought would be helpful, give the Council a swmmar'y of what had been discussed. Chief Administrative Officer Nordby stated he would give a summation of his feelings based on fact. Mayor Morehead asked that Mr. Nordby take the Rosemead Plan and report what he thought of it and what could be done, the advantages and disadvantages, and a report on the dissolution of the perks, advantages and disadvantages coney wise *i.4 so forth. Councilman Crites commented that there was a move under foot to limit school building sites to the exact miniuou it takes to build the buildings. Councilwoman Gregory explained the State Law stated that so much property had to be retained for recreation. Councilman Crites stated he believed this was Just for the schools, not for the public and that he would like to have an interpretation on that particular thing be- fore he would ever accept it. Be stated that some of the school yards were locked shut and some locked open and he thought they all ought to be one way or the other. He stated that as far as the recreational program was concerned he was in favor of it. Councilwoman Gregory ca mmented on a new concept for the school buildings whereby the buildings themselves would be fenced off but not the school grounds. 00- Mayor Morehead commented on the invitation received from the Superintendent of Schools to attend a dinner and meeting on April 21, 1965, and stated that congressmen Cameron was to be present. Be stated if the Agenda was not too heavy the TWO p.m. conference would be dispensed with in order that the Council members who wished could attend the dinner. 00- AT 9:50 P.M. COUNCILMAN ADAIR MOVED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADJOURN. COUNCILWOMAN GREGORY BECON. There were no objections, the motion carried and was so ordered by Mayor Morehead. 00- APPROVEDt May 5 1965, Date of Distribution to City Council April 30 1965. Date of Distribution to Deparfimente May 3 19650 X18 3, 1965 AGR~T APPROVED AND MAYOR AND CITY CLF18C AU1H. TO SIGN COUNCIL INSTRUCTION C.A.-O.+ TO MAKE SU)I BY Cl" WHAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED COUNCIL INVITED TO ATTEND DINNER RE 7:00 P.M. CONFERENCE, APRIL 21, 1965 9:50 P.M. ADJ. BIB] 39576-U01 1965-U02 04-U02 13-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9994-U03 FO116848-U03 DO116907-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 5/1/2008-U04 ROBIN-U04 ADJOURNED-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06