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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1973 06 18 CC MIN1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔîpelilP.il June 18. 1973 Business Reconnaissance Study, Phase II by Development Research Associates Presentation & Discussion Res. No. 73-109, Requesting State Senate to Oppose S.B. 413 Re Health Planning & Licensing of Health Facilities & California Hospital Disclosure Act Adopted Report on 1973-74 Budget Adjourn 9:39 P.M. to Executive Session Reconvened 10:36 P.M. Adjourn 10:37 P.M. Pa^e, 1 12 12 12 & 13 13 13 13 BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔîpe005873 ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE BALDWIN PARK CITY COUNCIL JUNE 18, W3 CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS) 14403 East Pacific Avenue 7:30 P.M. The City Council of the City of Baldwin Park met in ad- journed regular session at the above place at 7:30 P.M. Councilman Gregory led the salute to the flag. FLAG SALUTE Ro11 Call: Present: COUNCILMEN BLEWETT, GREGORY, ROLL CALL HAMILTON, AND MAYOR KING Absent: COUNCILMAN MC CARON COUNCILMAN MC CARON ARRIVED AT 7:40 P.M.) Present: PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WITTIG, YANEZ, ELKO, LARSON, AND MORENO Absent: PLANNING COMMISSIONER MC CORD Also Present: CITY MANAGER MOCALIS, PLANNING DIRECTOR GORDON, AND CITY CLERK BALKUS MR. DAVE PETERSON OF DEVELOPMENT RESEARCH ASSOCIATES Also Absent: CITY ATTORNEY FLANDRICK, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS PERRY, FINANCE DIRECTOR DUNCAN, CHIEF OF POLICE ADAMS, AND CITY TREASURER CALE 00- City Manager Mocalis stated that this meeting was for the BUSINESS RECON. purpose of reviewing Phase II of the Business Reconnais- STUDY sance Study by Development Research Associates to get a better idea of things that might be possible to raise our city image and improve the quality of life. This was a joint meeting of the City Council and the Planning Com- mission. He introduced Mr. Peterson of Development Re- search Associates. Mayor King introduced Planning Commissioners Wittig, Yanez, INTRODUCTIONS Etko, Larson, and Moreno. He also acknowledged Mr. Martin of the Recreation and Parks Commission, Mr. Smith, Mr. Bur- nett, and Mr. Wyatt. Planning Director Gordon commented on some of the reasons GORDON'S RESUME for the study. There has been a lack of satisfactory busi- ness development. This study was a small one to give us a sense of prioritijes and an idea of what would give us a maximum business return. Our capture rate is not what it should be. Our business volume is one-third of what it should be in about fifteen years. In selling liquor, food, and gasoline we are doing well, but in apparel, auto, etc., we are doing poorly. There is too much leakage to other cities. We are not keeping pace with the growing competi- tion in cities like West Covina, City of Industry, and Ar- cadia. Our population growth is slowing down. There is too much commercial zoning; we are too spread out; and there is a lack of support. In the future, one of our problems will be lark of circulation. Some of the things we should do to promote business growth Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔîpeOC058T4 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council are: 1) promote intensive development; 2) improve the bad parking in the heart of the downtown area It needs to be readily visible); 3) encourage centers; 4) encourage clustering of like businesses; and 5) attract more people to the community. Mr. Peterson introduced Mr. Bill Raphiel and Mr. Russ Borneman and stated that these two new staff members helped with the study in conjunction with the General Plan. The study is a modest one, but one which gives us some details and specifics. This is the second of three reports. There are different types of public ac- tion which can influence land use to produce more reve- nues for the city. There is a lot of land along the San Bernardino Freeway which can be developed, however, de- velopers are unconcerned regarding what city they develop. Developers are interested in: 1) a location which has cars passing it, a dose offramp. and nearby development Me can't do anything about this); 2) parcels of a cer- tain size and shape which are developabte; and 3) the price of the land. Sometimes there is a conflict between what the owners choose to do with the land and what the city would like to have done with the land to make it revenue-producing. The area chosen for analysis is south of the freeway. Quite a bit of revenue is received by the city from real estate development: 1) property tax $1.00 to the city, $5.50-$6.00 to the schools) and 2) sales tax. The foregoing are direct revenues. Indirect revenues can be obtained by upgrading the incomes of the residents, cre- ating more jobs dose by If an industrial park were es- tablished south of the freeway, 1,200 to 1,500 jobs could be created), and attracting development into the city residential and retail). There are some major justifications for the city becoming involved in development. One of the justifications is timing. Development wi11 take place sooner or later, but there is a very definite financial difference between sooner and later. Developing now would mean that reve- nues would be available now. Critical mass is another factor and deals with the parcel problem. Relatively small parcels of land attract only one-shots." Coordinated development for office parks, industrial parks, and shopping centers would be much bet- ter. We can't rety on private land owners to assemble the properties. An example is an area south of the freeway which could be made into an office park facility type of use. The street boundaries are Baldwin Park Boulevard, Bess, and Dalewood. The area is roughly twenty-eight acres in size and has freeway frontage and access. There are six or seven other sections south of the freeway also. By in- creasing density, you increase revenues. The sates tax on recreational vehicles may be greater initially, but this type of business is mobile. How long will it be there? In the downtown area, a way to get immediate payoff from a small public investment is to reuse the Market Basket building. The property tax on the building would be the Continued) June 18. 1973 Page 2 MR. PETERSON OF DEVELOPMENT RESEARCH ASSO- CIATES BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔîpeOOQ5«7o Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council June 18, 1973 Page 3 same $890.00), but the sales tax could go from $0.00 to $80,000.00. The City should take a look at what individual operators are doing with their properties. The City should begin to consider itself as a packager of real estate, to put that real estate into a form which can be used. One thinq we could work on, a problem throuqhout the country, is providing day-care centers. Another thing we could have is city-assisted transportation systems. There should be a continuous flow of city decisions on many different aspects of the development process. This does not happen overnight. We are talking about spending public money to make money to generate private investment, and that private investment generating tax dollars. The main questions are when, where, and who pays? Mr. Peterson then welcomed comments and questions. Councilman McCaron commented that on the area in relation to the freeway, from Los Angeles through Baldwin Park and beyond, the only type of development that came in, except for Wards in Rosemead, is mostly residential. He asked what area below the freeway has been designated M-1 and aside from residential, is there sufficient area there for an all-encompassing development such as recreational vehicles Mr. Pe.terson stated that the largest recreational vehicle center is the 34 acre Irvine situation. He commented that the recreation vehicle center concept at that size is still relatively untested. Planning Director Gordon stated that the large recreational vehicle sales center being developed in Irvine is not operational yet, so no one knows how successful it will be. If successful, it will generate between $400,000.00 to $500,000.00 a year in sales tax revenue. If it works there, we could assume it would work in a lot of places in California and the country. Down by the freeway anywhere from twenty to thirty acres can be put together, so size would probably be close enough. Mr. Peterson stated he thought that if the Irvine facility starts to look successful then there's going to be increasing interest in developing something of that size in the San Gabriel Valley, and the people who get there first are going to get it. Dealerships are going to cluster around the largest concentration they can find. Councilman McCaron commented that we have a sort of start in the area now. As far as the area there for office area, we weren't able to get anybody interested in that type of development. However, since then there's been one going in and one proposed in the City of Industry. Evidently, there weren't enough manufacturers in this area to solicit for tenants. A heliport was proposed to go in there to make it just that much more attractive for buyers coming into the area to be able to contact manufacturers. This was a three-way deal travel, assembly, and showroom. Mr. Peterson stated that he understood that the develop- ment in the City of Industry is intended to be primarily bank tenancies serving the firms in the City of Industry. Looking at the success of the Flair Park Development, the types of tenancies there are attractive. There are about 250 industries in the City of Industry. There are plenty of them left, and as they expand their industrial operations the pressure will increase to flip out their office area into separate buildings. It was his judgment that there is room for additional office space for this market. The people who get there first are likely to get it. He felt that if office development of this kind had been proposed Continued) COUNCILMAN MC CARON MR. PETERSON PLANNING DIRECTOR GORDON MR. PETERSON COUNCILMAN MC CARON MR. PETERSON BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔîpeC 0058^0 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council in the area of Baldwin Park south of the freeway» the proposal would have fallen apart, more likely because of inability of the developer to assemble land than because of lack of market. June 18, 1973 Page 4 Councilman McCaron park in the middle development of the Park was moved and use. asked about the effect of an office of the business district on the area itself, for instance if Morgan that became available for commercial COUNCILMAN MC CARON Mr. Peterson commented that in his judgment the task in downtown Baldwin Park is to consolidate the square footage into the type of a shopping center which functions more efficiently. He did not think this market area can stand an awful lot more square footage. The strength of the area is along Maine, north of Ramona. The strongest sub- area of the downtown is the Shop N Town Center and across the street to the new bank buildings. This is where customer traffic is. He stated that if the City can build upon that spine and perhaps even consolidate some of the existing and scattered retailers into a more compact, central area, that would seem to be the best sales tax payoff and successful revitalization. Councilman McCaron stated that at the Montdair Shopping Center, one of the major men's stores is selling out. This indicates that evidently there is a change in buying patterns. There have also been quite a number of changes at Eastland since it developed that put it in almost the same category as the old downtown section of West Covina, along the freeway. It has showed tremendous changes. It is still being used, but it's a secondary shopping center. They're also trying to put in another major shopping center in the town. He could not see this City getting into that type of investment in the development itself. Mr. Peterson commented that he agreed with what Councilman McCaron said about the factual situation at each of those shopping centers. However, stores move out and move in for different reasons, and he would question using one move-out as an indication of decay at Montdair. The basic point, though, is right, that the centers like Eastland, the big boomers of 1957 and 1958, get old, get supplanted by newer facilities, have their residential patterns around them change, and have freeway access patterns around them change. In each case, it's important both for the shopping center owners or in the case of the City to make whatever intelligent investments can be made to hold those older centers and make them as productive as you can for as long as you can. The report suggests that kind of an investment for Baldwin Park not a full-bore downtown revitalization program. Things can be done which might be relatively inexpensive and have some short-range payoff. Councilman McCaron added that as far as centralization is concerned, for instance El Cerritos, it affects all the other centers in the entire Los Angeles area, not just locally or within a couple of miles. It gets down basically to who has the merchandise and the biggest selection. So when we're looking for something to develop here, you would took for the best service and the largest selection of merchandise in order to attract from outside. Mayor King asked for questions from the audience. In answer to Mr. Ralph Smith, Mr. Peterson answered that there is one white collar to three or four secretarial, clerical workers in Baldwin Park. Continued) MR. PETERSON COUNCILMAN MC CARON MR. PETERSON COUNCILMAN MC CARON MR. PETERSON BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔîpeC05877 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council June 18, 1973 Page 5 At Mr. Emmitt Waldo's request Mr. Peterson restated that the City could subsidize the vacant Market Basket building, putting several small merchants inside, thereby making a mini-shopping center. Mr. Waldo stated that there is a large parking area behind the Bank of America, but it can't be seen. Mr. Peterson did not want to go into detail on this subject at this time. In answer to Councilman Hamilton, Mr. Peterson stated that the 28 acres south of the freeway are owned by eight to ten people. One owner owns 65 percent; two own 80 percent; four own 90 percent, and that in putting a package together an incentive approach where an overlay zone is created could be used, however, he did not believe this would work in Baldwin Park. In the case of the overlay zone, higher densities are permitted for specified uses, but only if the owners came in with a unified parcel, say 20 acres or more. Other than that, would necessitate the use of CRA powers and at the moment there is no federally-assisted redevelopment. We would be using the state redevelopment powers to achieve that assembly. Mayor King commented that Mr. Peterson has observed our development process and asked if he felt at this point that CRA is the best agency. Mr. Peterson answered yes. He said that there is a lot of potentially developable land in the City. Most of it has assembly problems. The CRA is the best method he knows of that can cure those assembly problems. MR. E. WALDO MR. PETERSON MAYOR KING MR. PETERSON In answer to Mr. the 28 acre area he did not think District. Ralph Middteton, Mr. Peterson stated that in question consists of ten parcels, and it was in the Virginia Avenue Assessment Mr. Gordon said there are 25 to 30 acres in the Virginia Avenue Assessment District, about half of the parcels with homes on the, about one-fourth vacant, and three or four have industrial buildings on them. Opening the street has increased interest in the whole area. Part of the United Parcel property is in the assessment district. A lot of the parcels with houses on them are being held by the owners for industrial purposes. So, much of that property is really on the market and available for the right price. Councilman Btewett agreed and stated that he tends to think that perhaps the highest use for the area along Baldwin Park Blvd. might be an office building. He asked Mr. Peterson where he would suggest that we might be able to move a recreational vehicle sates area too, and still maintain the integrity of that area for office buildings. Mr. Peterson suggested the area along the 605 freeway, currently industrially zoned, for a 25 or 30 acre combined center. Councilman Blewett favored the area along U.S. 10. Mr. Peterson agreed that that would be preferable, stating there are ten to twelve acres one camper sales outlet there now, a vacant gas station for sale just west of the Big Dalton Wash and just south of the freeway. There are also about seventeen acres around Merced and Puente which would be close to the freeway. Continued) PLANNING DIRECTOR GORDON COUNCILMAN BLEWETT MR. PETERSON COUNCILMAN BLEWETT MR. PETERSON BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔîpeCC05878 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council In answer to Councilman Blewett, Mr. Gordon answered that if we were to use the C-2A on Baldwin Park Blvd. for recreational vehicles, CRA would be necessary as he did not think a private developer could afford this. Mr. Wittig brought up that we're talking about the public going into business. If a developer would come to the City and lay out a plan, where everything is cut and dried, it might be a possibility. If we talk about creating an agency without having any ingredients, the only thing you have is a portion of land which might possibly be put together with public funds. He did not think anyone can sell a project of this nature in this community at the present time. He does not like the terminology revenue to the City". He thinks we should say revenue to the people". At one time we were nonrestrictive, and have samples of that, unfortunately. Then we became quite restrictive. He asked, where is the middle of the road? If we're too tough, we don't get anything; if we're too permissive, we get junk. He thought we were wasting time dreaming. Mayor King stated that he felt if you can define a boundary and sell the people on the development, then it would work. To find a happy medium, you have to maintain a standard equal to what is around you. We were a little too restrictive at one time, but he thought we're on the right road now. The City can't go in and purchase property and put something together. You have to sell the people. He asked Mr. Peterson if he had any suggestions along these tines. Mr. Peterson responded, elaborating on three points: 1) When talking about development regulation issues, there are two questions together which ought to be considered separately the value of unified complexes, and industrial park areas. As long as Baldwin Park has individual, isolated, single lots to sell, you get a certain level of demand. If you create combined holdings, you open yourself to a much broader potential range of users. No matter what, we will still have the questions of regulation, structural quality standards. 2) The phrase revenue to the City" is misleading. We all know how the dollars are being used. 3) Timing should be talked about, timing in regard to when a redevelopment agency should be formed. The formation of an agency takes place through a series of required procedural steps—hearings, filings, readings of ordinances, etc., etc. Once the agency is formed, then it can theo- retically just sit there. It cannot use its powers until an action area has been defined. Then there must be a study, hearings, etc., before action is taken. There is value in having the agency formed and ready to move on some projects as they appear. There are developers coming around expressing interest in different parcels in Baldwin Park if they could get the ground together. Formation of the agency not only gets the City ready for those developers, but it also permits the City to attract developers who wouldn't have been interested otherwise. Mr. Wittig asked Mr. Peterson if he thought one of the most important things is to have the right climate for a CRA as he did not feel that the City is too receptive. Mr. Peterson agreed and commented that he believed the consideration of CRA was deferred pending completion of this study. The third report will go deeper into the kind of cost benefit justification of redevelopment. Continued) June 18, 1973 Page 6 PLANNING DIRECTOR GORDON COMMISSIONER WITTIG MAYOR KING MR. PETERSON COMMISSIONER WITTIG MR. PETERSON BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔîpeAdjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council June 18. 1973 Page 7 Changes have taken place since the previous debates. We are now talking about redevelopment which does not utilize federal funding and power. The way both business and residential relocation requirements are structured, it is very, very unlikely that any project activity would take place. Any degree of relocation of homes will preclude any development as it does not make sense financially. Mr. Zook stated the problem in the past was that when they asked the City Manager at a public hearing on CRA what was encompassed under the CRA laws he said he would have to read the law. This City would have had CRA, as they have pushed it through in other cities, but the people here studied redevelopment and therefore we do not have CRA here. Mayor King agreed that all the people need to be better informed and that all those interested need to participate more freely. Councilman Hamilton responded that all City Council had the laws and the packet on CRA about two months before the first hearing and the City Manager was familiar with it. Councilman Hamilton had gone through the laws, which were quite extensive and didn't understand some of it. The Council received a summary written up by the City Attorney. The people were not fully informed so they mis- understood it, and a lot of false information went out in certain areas. That was partly the City's fault. If the City had CRA» we would now have a fifteen acre development here In Baldwin Park which we don't have. Mayor King agreed with Councilman Hamilton in that we create our own political climate. City Manager Mocalis pointed out that a problem has been general public mistrust of CRA's. One of the reasons for this is that in the past the City Council couldn't do any- thing after the plans had been made as the CRA Boards were a total entity themselves. State legislation passed in 1971 now gives the Council the right to take over a CRA Board and the electorate can apply pressure to the City Council. CRA Boards in the past were too remote from the people. Mr. Moreno asked about other avenues for development other than CRA and multiple development. Mr. Peterson answered that land assembly is the problem. In some areas you can achieve consolidation of parcels through street closures. You can increase the chance of development by the way you spend your capital improvement money. In the downtown area there are a number of specific deistrict vehicles which can be used. When the problem is land assembly, if you cannot achieve it through some form of incentive zoning, then CRA 1s the alternative. Mr. Carpenter stated that Council felt they would bring CRA before the people—referendum. United Parcel came in without CRA. They are doing much better than the postal service and no doubt they will expand. He also said that he understood from the man who bought the property that they paid the people a just price. The people who owned the land got the profit not the developer. On the other hand, he thought the study should be along the tines to try to bring in people iike United Parcel. The City does not need CRA. When the referendum comes through, as he expects that it wilt, ir wilt get a lot of opposition, and it is wishful thinki^ on Council's part to think that they can come in and jusc say that they will put in CRA, which they are recommending. Continued) C CG587J MR. ZOOK MAYOR KING COUNCILMAN HAMILTON MAYOR KING CITY MANAGER MOCALIS COMMISSIONER MORENO MR. PETERSON MR. CARPENTER BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔî peCC05S80 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Mayor King countered with the statement that there really has been no tangible recommendation rtifftrft^ CRA at this point. Mr. Carpenter then said that this was what he had heard. He asked If th« presentation this evening was the $4,000.00 study. Mr. Peterson answered that this was part of it. Councilman Blewett felt that Mr. Carpenter had made a valid point regarding United Parcel Service. This is probably the largest development we'vc^ had In the City. However, there are two parcels within that piece of land that United Parcel could not get because of the price. If there had been a couple more who held out because of the price, that development probably would not have taken place, and Baldwin Park would have been the loser. It is an interest- ing point that the profit on the land should go to the property owner and not to the developer. This Is good, and the property owner should get a just price for his property, but If there Isn't profit In It for the developer, you're not going to have him, and he's the man who makes it go, not the property owner. He stated Mr. Wittig brought up the most Interesting and probably the most valid point of the evening. We do not know If the community will buy" a redevelopment agency, and probably It is correct that they win not buy" it. but this win condemn our City to a second-rate existence. Because, as you took at cities around us, almost all of them have used this method for land assembly and all of these cities have prospered. What's going on over In West Covlna and Rosemead are Improvements for those cities. If we were to accumulate 28 acres south of the freeway, basically the drive-in property, which produces virtually no revenue to the City, and could be something of a higher use, that would be good for Baldwin Park. Here we have the problem whether the Individual's right 1s stronger than the group's right. Personally, he believes in group democracy. Whether or not we have CRA is a decision that the people of the comnunlty are going to have to make, and they're going to have to live with it. They're going to have to live with the taxation and the lack of development in our community. Mr. Carpenter stated that he knew the people United Parcel couldn't buy out and they are willing to bide their time. He believes that the City should bring this to a referendum so the people can decide. Mr. Middleton added that it has been said that the City of Baldwin Park cannot sustain retail development and that this Is why developers will not develop in our city. Something is off balance. Councilman Blewett interjected we are talking about office and manufacturing types of business not retailing. There Is a definite distinction. Baldwin Park is going to have problems getting shopping centers, because we are pretty well boxed in, but that does not mean we can*t turn to other areas. He thought the areas which were discussed— recreational vehicle sales and offices—are valid altern- atives to retailing. The City is moving toward an industrial base, not a retail base. We have to look at direction and implementation as our goat. Mr. Wittig asked how we could remove the stigma and create he r--ght political environment and leadership regarding redevelopment. Continued) June 18, 1973 Page 8 MAYOR KING MR. CARPENTER MR. PETERSON COUNCILMAN BLEWETT MR. CARPENTER MR. MIDDLETON COUNCILMAN BLEWETT COMMISSIONER WITTIG BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔî pecro^si Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Mayor King stated that Mr. Hamilton had brought out the fact that we created our own political climate—our stigma as far as the CRA, and the Council fully realizes that not enough people were involved, nor wte t^iere sufficient information. He felt that If this were presented to the people properly and define the areas, they'll buy it. They're not stupid. Mr. Waldo felt that everybody agrees something must be done. The method may vary. One of the ways is incentive zoning. It must be palatable to the people. June 18, 1973 Page 9 MAYOR KING MR. WALDO Councilman Hamilton talked about the questions Mr. Middleton COUNCILMAN HAMILTON and Mr. Wittig had asked. Are we too restrictive? Are we keeping our developers out? We don't want a bunch of dingbats or junk. Do we want restrictions that do notliinder develop- ment, but that allow for nice looking developments coming into town? Mayor King stated the City has passed some good ordinances which make developers conform to some aesthetic quality as well as structural qualities. The developers are unhappy because they cannot put up the dingbat structures that they used to put up. The City should hold the line, and look at other cities, perhaps we need more restrictions in some areas. We should not reduce the quality we've worked so hard to build. Mr. Smith asked if the Council knew of any developers who have tried to put the 28 acre package together. Mr. Sexton answered that two or three different groups have expressed interest in the property. Mr. Zook stated that when we were talking about redevelop- ment, we were talking about a manager, assistants, staff, salaries, etc. and where will we get the money? He sug- gested that the City work out a deal with the owners, without CRA. Councilman Blewett stated that he didn't think this would be legal, but it would be a great solution. City Manager Mocalis added that the City Attorney had advised that it is illegal to use public funds on private property. However, through the California Redevelopment Law, a CRA Board is empowered to expend the tax increment funds, as they have not yet become public funds. A City Council may not do that. The only thing the City Council could do, as Mr. Peterson had indicated, would be to use gas tax funds to open up a street and improve it. The City may not act as a partner with the developer and the land owner and sweeten the pot", so to speak, with public funds. It's not:legal. Mr. Peterson agreed that it cannot be done by City people. He's seen it tried in maybe eight or ten cases, where a private economic development group working to bring economic development to the city has tried it, or a Chamber of Commerce has tried it, or a downtown improve- ment group has tried to bring owners together. This Is done as a first step in many cases. He doesn't know of any case where it has worked. Mr. Mocalis stated that a CRA Board has only the authority to do those things that are included in the specific plan, which must be approved at a public h'earing by the City Council. They do not move outside the area of a specific plan which has been approved by the City Council. They Continued) MAYOR KING MR. SMITH MR. SEXTON MR. ZOOK COUNCILMAN BLEWETT CITY MANAGER MOCALIS MR. PETERSON CITY MANAGER MOCALIS BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔî peCC05S8^ Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council June 18. 1973 Page 10 have to have plans for the periphery area. There's a great amount of protection now built into that apparatus, and the significant point is the public is made a part of it, and the public hearings that are required serve to further protect the public. Mr. Zook added that in each case when the people sued redevelopment agencies, they lost. Mr. Mocatis said that in 1970 or early 1971, that was practically the case. The CRA Board, once they had been constituted and had their plan approved, were removed from the people, because they were not subject to recall, the City Council could not remove a CRA member or the entire Board, and at that point in time they were entirely autonomous. Today, the CRA Board can be taken over in one fell swoop by a simple motion of the Council. They can take out a specific member if they wish, and they can negate the plan. So it is back into the public control today. Mr. Sexton asked about other possible development uses for the City aside from the Market Basket building and office development. Mr. Peterson stated that south of the freeway there is a certain amount of potential for hotel-motel use which would likely follow the construction of office space. It's not likely to appear there independently. Similarly, retail and restaurants. He referred to Flair Park with about 150,000-200,000 feet of office space. They now have a steak house. Soon there will probably be some retail emerging there for the employees on their lunchtime. In the downtown area, it is best to keep the retail core as fully retail as we possibly can. For additional uses around the periphery, it might be well to think about the impact of relocating City Hall facilities closer to the main retail area. Similarly, the potential for residential development near the downtown area. For further information he referred to the report. Councilman McCaron stated that south of the freeway the owner wants to sell the property, but the lease has been a stumbling block. He asked if CRA were used would it have the authority to cancel a lease. Mr. Peterson answered that the CRA purchases a11 interests in the property, which would mean that they would pay for the value of that lease. Councilman McCaron commented that the stumbling block has been not that the owner has been unwilling to sell but they want consideration for their lease, and the developer has not been wilting to pay. It would be the same with CRA. Regarding the City leasing the old Market Basket building, the City cannot get into the teasing business. That's one thing it should stay away from. Mr. Zook stated that he felt there is a laxity on vacant buildings in the City. Some buildings are not up to code. He asked if there is something wrong somewhere. Mayor King agreed that many buildings are a blight and that possibly the zoning enforcement officer should look into them. Planning Director Gordon stated that this type of thing could be subject to public nuisance action. If the City Council instructs the staff to start bringing up these Continued) MR. ZOOK CITY MANAGER MOCALIS MR. SEXTON MR. PETERSON COUNCILMAN MC CARON MR. PETERSON COUNCILMAN MC CARON MR. ZOOK MAYOR KING PLANNING DIRECTOR GORDON BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔî 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔî peC.C05884 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Mayor King thanked Mr. Peterson for his fine presentation. 00- City Manager Mocatis presented a resolution requesting the California Senate to oppose Senate Bill 413 relating to Health Planning and Licensing of Health Facilities and the California Hospital Disclosure Act. He explained that the Senate Committee on Health will meet on Wednesday, and we were contacted by the Comprehensive Health Planning Council of Los Angeles County. They are in opposition to the bill authored by Senator Beilenson and Assemblyman Lanterman. This bill would take away from local control the say that we have in developing health facilities. At the present time, the Comprehensive Health Planning Council of Los Angeles County is composed of both the consumer and the provider. Senate Bill 413 would set up a state-wide commission which would remove local citizens from health planning. Councilman McCaron asked why the bill was brought up. Discussion followed. Mr. Forrest Walker explained that the trend, the state's idea, is to take over alt the power they can. Some of the things that are happening are happening so sub1imina11y that they're passed before we ever realize what's happening They are taking away local control. Intercommunity Hospital will probably wind up being the County Hospital for the San Gabriel Valley. The State Assembly and the Senate now have other laws to provide more power to the State Department of Public Health. Councilman McCaron stated that if they're eroding control on the local level, it isn't good. Discussion followed. City Clerk Batkus read by title: RESOLUTION NO. 73-109 REQUESTING THE CALIFORNIA STATE SENATE TO OPPOSE SENATE BILL 413 RELATING TO HEALTH PLANNING AND LICENSING OF HEALTH FACILITIES AND THE CALIFORNIA HOSPITAL DISCLOSURE ACT COUNCILMAN BLEWETT MOVED THAT RESOLUTION NO. 73-109 BE ADOPTED AND THAT FURTHER READING BE WAIVED. COUNCILMAN GREGORY SECONDED. There were no objections. The motion carried and was so ordered. 00- City Manager Mocalis stated that the preliminary budget has been completed and have been given to the City Council for their study. There is no projected increase in taxes for the City; there is an increase of one employee proposed to relieve the work load in Planning, Finance and the Police Department at critical times. This year the staff has attempted to put together a Program Budget. This will make the budget more readable by Council, staff, and citizens, so that any interested person could pick up our budget and actually see where the dollars were flowing Continued) June 18, 1973 Page 12 REQUESTING SENATE TO OPPOSE SB413 DISCUSSION MR. FORREST WALKER DISCUSSION RES. NO. 73-109 REQUEST CALIF. STATE SENATE TO OPPOSE SB413 RE HEALTH PLANNING & LICENSING OF HEALTH FACILITIES & CALIF. HOSPITAL DISCLOSURE ACT RES. NO. 73-109 ADOPTED 1973-74 BUDGET BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1973 06 18 CC MIN(ÌìÔîpeff0^88.J Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council June 18. 1973 Page 13 This approach this year includes only Planning. Police and Public Works. The department heads were asked to look at their budgets and then attempt to make some correlation between the standard line item budget and a program budget- ing approach. If Council likes this approach and it is workable it will take" probably three years to actually have an effective, good program budgeting approach. He explained that it is incumbent upon the City to identify for citizens where their tax dollars are going. Further, if we ever have to look into reducing programs or, hope- fully, expanding programs and increasing services, it will give the Council a much better handle on which programs they wish to upgrade or have to downgrade. Mr. Mocalis recommended adjournment to an Executive Session to give the Council the results of the meet and confer sessions with the two associations—the Police Association and the Employees' Association. AT 9:39 P.M. COUNCILMAN BLEWETT MOVED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADJOURN TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. COUNCILMAN HAMILTON SECONDED. There were no objections. The motion carried and was so ordered. 00- ADJOURN 9:39 P.M. TO EXECUTIVE SESSION A^-- BALKUS, CITY CLERK At 10:36 p.m., the City Council reconvened in adjourned regular session. Present: Councitmen Blewett, Gregory, Hamilton, McCaron and Mayor King. Also Present: City Manager Mocalis, Assistant City Manager Hate and City Clerk pro tern Gregory. 00- AT 10:37 P.M. COUNCILMAN BLEWETT MOVED THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADJOURN. COUNCILMAN HAMILTON SECONDED. There were no objections. The motion carried and was so ordered. 00- 10:36 P.M. RECONVENED IN ADJOURNED REGULAR SESSION ADJOURNED 10:37 P.M APPROVED: /^^6 1973 /y^- / \. /i^^f'^^/^^--' ADeufHA efttadftv. CYTV)AWPR^^ v \ iis^ribu^< Date of Dis/tribu&lon to City Council: June 29, 1973 Date of Distribution to Departments: June 29, 1973 BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 peC CGS883 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council June 18, 1973 Page 11 abandoned buildings that seem to have outlived their commercial use as public nuisances, the staff can do so. In the past, the ones brought before Council were required to be boarded up instead of being torn down. Mayor King felt that the intent at that time was that those buildings seemed to be in good shape at least structurally. However, if a building is strictly an eyesore, kids are getting into it, etc., it should be acted upon. Councilman McCaron commented that this is basically in opposition to the rights of the individual. You're talking about stepping in and relieving a man of the rights to his property. There should be some alternative to offer him as to what development could go in there. If you can't provide that, then the only thing we can ask him to do would be to cleanup the property and make it so that it doesn't become a public nuisance in the manner that it would be detrimental to other individuals. Just to go ahead cleaning up and tearing down things without having any program, that's not what we should be doing. Mayor King commented that we have a public hearing on these items, and as most all of the people in the audience realize, properties that are in the worst shape are usually owned by out-of-town speculators, and if they're willing to conform to some cleanup, and make this a better town for us to live in, they may have to put out a little money or sell, which would help the people here. He suggested that public hearings be held, have the individuals come forth, and see what we can do. Councilman McCaron stated that there are two vacant lots in 14100 block on Ramona with practically a whole block of frontage. He asked if this block is all under one owner- ship. Mayor King answered that there is one property owner for the whole block. Councilman McCaron then stated that he should be contacted and asked if the property could be presented for some type of developments Mayor King thought this should be handled as a regular house nuisance'abatement—no impartial treatment and see what they have to offer. Discussion followed. Mr. Gordon clarified that it was the instruction of the Council to bring the vacant buildings on Ramona before them for public hearing to see whether they should be removed or not. He stated there are about five on Ramona, which must be treated equally. Mayor King and;the Council agreed. Mr. Gordon summarized Mr. Peterson's comments: 1) There is potential for intensive business development in various parts of the City, especially along the San Bernardino Freeway; 2) The problem that the City has now and has had for decades in getting the high-density developments which would pay the high revenues and have high job creation, is putting the land together—large amounts of land at a good price; and 3) The best toot and probably the one which most cities are using is CRA. He requested direction from the Council. To complete the Business Reconnaissance Study it should be determined whether CRA will be implemented or not. Continued) MAYOR KING COUNCILMAN MC CARON MAYOR KING COUNCILMAN MC CARON MAYOR KING COUNCILMAN MC CARON MAYOR KING DISCUSSION PLANNING DIRECTOR GORDON BIB] 37658-U01 1973-U02 06-U02 18-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9836-U03 DO9903-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06