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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1974 05 28 CC MIN1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peINDEX May 28, 1974 Page Report from CRA Committee Representative Mr. Henry Littlejohn Panel introduced by Mr. James Sexton Panel Members: Ms. Joan Ft or Mr. A1 Berest Mr. Dick Leonard Mr. Jim Magner Grahm Ritchie, Attorney Mr. Ed Lowers CRA vote Mr. Downs Sate of Property Mr. Spencer Burke Property Appraisal Mrs. Catherine Sorotti Condemned Property & Court Costs Ms. Mary Shilling Adjoining Property Requirements Mrs. Isinger Cost of Development Mr. Dick Owens Moving Complaints Mrs. Dorothy Soffe Property Selling Price Mr. Ralph Smith Property Appraisal Procedures & Agency Time Limit Mrs. Gloria Zook Time Limit on Bonds; K-Mart Stores Mr. Russell Blewett Revenue & Budget; Favors CRA Mr. Vincent Moreno Favors CRA 1 & 14 2 2, 3 & 7 3 9 & 11 3, 5, 7 & 10 3, 4, 5, 8,7 & 10 5 5 5 5 & 14 6 & 13 6 Mr. Don Holmes Interest on Bonds; Relocation Procedures; CRA vote 7 & 13 Ms. Marianne Johnson Funding & Administrative Costs; Prefers free enterprise 8 & 12 Mr. Orvilte Moran Favors CRA 8 Mrs. Myrtle Asquith AB1267 Tax Base 8 Mr. Richard Carman Against CRA 9 & 15>17 Mr. Robert McNeitt CRA Board Appointments; Petition 21 Sign. Favors CRA 9 & 11 Mrs. Amos Slater Interest Rate, Administrative Costs; Against CRA 10 & 14 Mr. Confer Police & Fire Protection 10 Mr. Michael Halt Taxes Mr. Glen Robinson CRA vote Mr. Bill Mooney CRA explanations more concise Baldwin Park Rodeo June 1 & 2 Irwindale Raceway Mrs. Stevens Petition 53 Signatures Favors CRA Mr. Michael Dargus Tax Increase Mr. Jerry Kitchet Favors CRA Mr. Jay Angelo Chamber of Commerce Favors CRA Mr. Ralph Middteton CRA vote Mr. Fred Moran Favors CRA Mrs. Claire Middteton CRA vote Mr. Leonard Ray K-Mart Stores Mrs. Susan Blewett Citizens run for Council Ms. Thetma Hyfitt Favors CRA Ms. Rose Martinez Favors CRA Mr. Cart Sharpe Favors CRA Mr. Worden Favors CRA Ms. Joy Robinson Council Promises Mr. Larry Carson Favors CRA Mr. Bernard Dow CRA vote Mr. Walter Finley Favors CRA Mr. H. Sutterfield Favors CRA Mr. Joe Cale Favors CRA Rev. Roy Brewer Favors CRA 1 & 15 11 n 11 n 12 12 12 12 13 13 14 14 14 15 15 15 15 16 & 17 16 16 16 16 16 BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peINDEX May 28. 1974 Page 2 Mrs. Sherry Ellmore FAvors CRA Mr. James Garrow Favors CRA Mr. T. E. Carpenter CRA vote; Against CRA Mr. Leroy Zook Against CRA Ms. Susan Gray CRA vote Adjourned 12:20 p.m. BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peC 006264 ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE BALDWIN PARK CITY MAY 28, 1974 COUNCIL AT MORGAN PARK ASSEMBLY HALL) 14255 EAST 7:30 P.M. RAMONA BOULEVARD The City Council of the City of Baldwin Park met in adjourned regular session at the above dace at 7:3n p.m. Councilman McCaron led the salute to the flag. FLAG SALUTE Roll Call: Present: COUNCILMEN GREGORY, KING, ROLL CALL MC CARON, WALDO AND MAYOR HAMILTON Also Present: CITY MANAGER MOCALIS, DIREC- TOR OF INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT SEXTON, CHIEF OF POLICE ADAMS, CITY TREASURER CALE AND CITY CLERK BALKUS Absent: CITY ATTORNEY FLANDRICK, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS PERRY, PLANNING DIRECTOR GORDON AND FINANCE DIRECTOR DUNCAN 00- Mayor Hamilton said the meeting was called to hear the CRA report and recommendations from the Community Redevelop- ment Agency Study Committee with discussion following. He said each person would be allowed three minutes to speak. The Cornmittee met to evaluate the proposed Hotel Develop- ment at the Puente Avenue and Merced intersections. After studying the staff report entitled Hotel Development Opportunities" Draft No. 2), the Committee took the following action: Mr. Henry Littlejohn, 4225 North Jerry Avenue, member MR. HENRY LITTLEJOHN of the Committee and representing Chairman Blair Hotman, gave a report of the CRA Committee's findings and recom- mendations on May 14, 1974. A motion was made by Joe Cale and seconded by Richard Knott that the proposed hotel development was deemed beneficial and very desir- able for the City of Baldwin Park" and was passed unanimously by roll ca11. The second motion was made by Richard Knott and seconded by James Garrow that the Comnittee recommend enactment of the appropriate ordinances for a Community Redevelopment Agency" with a majority vote of 15. Ralph Middteton made an amend- ment to the motion and At Stockton seconded that the matter of CRA be brought to the vote of the community" roil call with 17 voting against the amendment. Russell Btewett moved and James Garrow seconded that the Com- mittee continue as constituted and advise the City Council on the CRA matter" and was passed by a show of hands. A motion was made by Richard Knott and seconded by Carol Cote that the City Council appoint a seven member citizen board to act as the Community Redevelopment Agency" which was favorably passed by a show of hands. Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peCC^Q&?feM> Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park May 28, 1974 City Council Page 2 Director of Industrial Development James Sexton stated this meeting was called to present the basis for the Committee's action. He presented a report on Development Opportunities on 19 acres in the Puente-Merced area; four acres to be used for a Sheraton Hotel contingent upon development of a 65 unit budget motel. The net cost of CRA wilt be $1,500,000. Funding for the development will be paid by development bonds or tax allocation bonds by the developer. The City wilt not be obligated. The City of Baldwin Park has to face either increase of taxes or reduced services; this development would broaden the tax revenue source and eliminate the need to increase taxes and hopefully expand job opportunities in Baldwin Park. The CRA is a method whereby we can tap another source of revenue through State law; CRA provides a way for this community to get money to pay for this kind of development. He referred to Page 24 in the report entitled Development Activity from January to December 1973". During that time there were 38 acres of new development and had a value of about three and a half million dollars, of which the City received $9,000. The schools got $37,000 and the County got $46,000. It appears Baldwin Park is underwriting development programs which bene- fit schools and County in the amount of $46,000. Our City should not have to operate at a toss. It's on the basis of the facts presented in the report that there will be some consensus as to how the City wilt proceed. Mr. Sexton introduced members of the panel experienced in redevelopment, who were present to answer questions: Ms. Joan Flor, Port & Flor Relocation Consultants, A1 Berest, Security Land & Right-of-Way Services, Dick Leonard, Security Land & Right-of-way Services Appraisals, Bill McKinght, Knight Construction Company of Baldwin Park, Dan Cotton, Loeling & Koeling Engineers, Charles Haver, Jim Pulliam, Pulliam and Mathews, Architects and Planners, Jim Magner, Magner Con- sultants Associates Fiscal Administration, and Graham Ritchie, Attorney. Mayor Hamilton welcomed comments from the panel. Ms. Flor explained about the relocation benefits that people are entitled to who are required to move. If a person has owned his property for 180 days, he is entitled to moving expenses up to $300 and then he is entitled to a flat $200; besides that $15,000 to purchase a com- parable home, plus what he receives for his pro- perty. If a tenant has lived there 90 days, he is entitled to moving expenses, plus $4,000 to purchase or rent a home. A business is entitled to moving expenses phone, burglar alarm and $500 to search for another location. If they can substantiate the fact that it is impossible to move the business, because of loss, they are entitled to an in-lieu payment minimum $2,500 to a $10,000 maximum based on the average annual net earnings for the last two years. Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peOO^Gti Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park May 28, 1974 City Council Page 3 Ms. Flor said all people who are displaced, receive assistance, as well, in finding a new location. Mr. Ritchie, Attorney said City of Industry had made use of CRA. It's a very useful device if the community needs it and requires it. Mr. Magner stated he went through the report. He has worked in 30 agencies and he personally finds the report to be comprehensive on the possible use of CRA. In the San Gabriel Valley, most communities have found that this is a very valuable and desirable tool to use for various reasons. This is a very viable program, is self-sustaining and will pay itself out in a very short period of time. All members of the panel said they would be happy to answer any questions. Mayor Hamilton now opened the meeting to questions and answers from the audience. A gentleman asked where the funds would come from and Ms. Flor stated, out of the project". Mr. Magner said a CRA is a self-sustaining project and will have the capacity to borrow money to pay for project costs. There wilt be no added burden to the residents. CRA can go out and borrow all the required funds for the incurred costs and these wilt be repaid by property taxes such as the hotel complex over and above the taxes that are being paid today. For example: Property presently paying $1,000 in property taxes, when improved to a larger development taxes would be $10,000, a difference of $9,000 which becomes the revenue of the Agency and the Agency can borrow on that collateral if these funds meet the project costs. The owner will still pay the property tax. Mr. Ed Lowers, 15112 Nubia Street asked if they intended to take this to a vote of the people as promised before election. MR. ED LOWERS Mayor Hamilton said there have been changes in the laws since CRA was considered by our City. The property owner has more protection and we now have a specific project to consider. He thinks it is the intent of the City Council to only consider this project. He has not yet made his decision as to whether this should go to a vote. Mr. Downs, 13509 Francisquito Avenue, asked if MR. DOWNS they needed his property and if he didn't want to se11 it, what could he do about it and Mr. Berest said he had his right as an American citizen to go to court if he didn't agree to the appraisal value. Mr. Downs stated that this would involve an attorney and court costs. Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?pei C.06a67 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park May 28, 1974 City Council Page 4 Mayor Hamilton explained that after questions and answers, everyone would be given time to speak. He stated that all of the property owners in the proposed area are in favor of the project. Mr. Spencer Burke, 13377 Waco Street, said his property could be involved. The property is homesteaded and he asked if they appraised it and he didn't like the appraisal, what could he do. Mr. Ritchie said if the property is not under the plan it would not be affected. The pro- cedure is to have only the property within the project appraised and the appraisal must be given to the property owner. The law requires that absolute appraisal value be given. The property owner can negotiate or go to court. Mayor Hamilton said he did not think this 19 acres on Merced and Puente project would affect Mr. Burke on Waco Street. The property owners are given consideration. They want a development in the City to bring revenue into the City and help our tax base. Mr. Burke said if CRA comes in on this project, CRA will continue. Mrs. Catherine Sorotti, Blenheim Street, stated her concern was that any property can be con- demned and court and attorney costs are expensive. Ms. Mary Shilling, West Covina, said her house borders on the proposed development and asked if they would put in a driveway, brick wait, or what? Mayor Hamilton said that the Precise Plan require- ments would protect the property owner. He sug- gested that she talk to Planning Director Gordon and he would explain the requirements for the protection of adjoining properties. Mrs. Isinger said she does not live near the development, but she was concerned with the net cost of $1,500,000. Mayor Hamilton said this wilt come from the pro- ject owner and will not affect any other property owner. Mrs. Isinger asked what makes the panel think that Baldwin Park will support a project tike this? She did not believe Baldwin Park needs a 500 seat ban- quet room. Mayor Hamilton said there are many projects tike this on freeways. We have to go to other cities for a meeting place. The developer is pretty sure of their investment or would not come 1n and spend money. MR. SPENCER BURKE MRS. CATHERINE SOROTTI MS. MARY SHILLING MRS. ISINGER Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peC&6268 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council May 28, 1974 Page 5 Mr. Dick Owens, 756 North Merced Avenue, asked how many people who have to move have complained about moving. Ms. Joan Flor said people do not like a change, but most of them are well satis- fied after they have moved. They have 90 days to move. Mrs. Dorothy Soffe, 13013 Amar Road, asked if a house was frozen in 1971 at $11,000 with a five room home with a rental in the back, what could they expect beyond this price and Ms. Joan F1or said they would compute her home and the entire lot as we11 as her portion of the improve- ment that she lives in and it could pay up to $15,000 in excess of a home of comparable value plus certain closing costs in purchasing another property to put her in a comparable accommodation. She explained that the Relocation Act which became effective in 1972 affords protection to the home- owner. Mr. Ralph Smith, 14219 East Ohio Street, asked what procedures were used in appraising the pro- perty and Mr. Dick Leonard said appraisals are made on the basis of generally accepted appraisal practices. The three principal approaches to value are the cost summation approach, the mar- ket approach and the income approach. Mr. Smith asked what percent of the cost of the purchase price would be recovered by the sale to the developer and Mr. Sexton said an estimate of one-third, but it is subject to the appraisals for the acquisition of the property and the appraisals for the disposition of the property, which are based on estimates at this time. Mr. Smith asked what wi'11 be the time limit of the agency and will it be dissolved at the end of the project or wi11 it be a continuing agency. Mr. Ritchie said the City Council creates the agency and Council and Agency jointly develops the plan. The Agency wi11 continue until the bonds are paid off and then the Agency would be dissolved, unless some other plan comes into being. Mr. Smith asked if this is a continued plan or a one project agency and Mayor Hamilton said this referred to the one 19 acre project. Mrs. Gloria Zook, 4872 La Rica Avenue, said she read that the City of Industry had 45 year bonds and Mr. Ritchie said that the law allows an Agency to take that long to pay back bonds, but 20 year bonds are the usual. Mr. Magner said bonds may spell out a 20 year period, but this project could be paid off within 9 or 10 years from the time of its inception; 25 years or more would not be marketable and no lender would put up the money. MR. DICK OWENS MRS. DOROTHY SOFFE MR. RALPH SMITH MRS. GLORIA ZOOK Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peC C-.Q626J Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council May 28, 1974 Page 6 Mr. Russell Blewett, 3562 Baldwin Park Boulevard, asked if they had reviewed the budget and was it prepared and if so. Council would have to decide if they would reduce services or increase taxes* City Manager Mocalis said they had not gone into the budget consideration ds yet. The last seven years they have had an increase of revenue of 10.4% and this year anticipate a 2% growth of revenue over what we have. He said this next year will be the most difficult year for the City of Baldwin Park. Mr. Blewett asked why Baldwin Park had budgetary problems and why aren't we like other cities and why don't we have the revenue other cities have? Mayor Hamilton said we don't have the products and services available for the citizens of Baldwin Park. Much of our sales tax revenue goes outside of the City. Covina has less population and has more sales tax revenue as well as a high-assessed property tax. This is a bedroom" community with a low tax base. Next year we will have a serious problem in Baldwin Park's tax revenue. We may find ourselves cutting services and using unappropriated funds. We need to raise our standard of industrial and commercial development to help raise this tax base. Mr. Blewett asked what is the anticipation of the solution of revenue crisis for Baldwin Park in the coming years. Councilman Waldo said they hope to have more indus- trial and commercial business come in. He agreed we must have more if we are going to survive. They must decide the best way to bring it in. Mr. Blewett asked if the Council or any member of the audience had any other alternative than CRA. Councilman Gregory said the endeavor of this Council and other Councils was to bring in a balance of indus- trial and commercial business to Baldwin Park. She can't be sure that CRA is the vehicle to do this. With our lack of revenue sales, we are now faced with decrease of service or increase of taxes. She said she was open-minded to what the people's wishes were. If CRA is our only Salvation, then this Council would be for it". Mr. Vincent Moreno, 4854 Jerry Avenue, said he had been a resident of Baldwin Park for 13 years and we have missed the boat" all along. He said he was tired of living in a city and seeing other cities take our revenue. There are 12 property owners in favor of this project. If West Covina CRA structure is completed, we should consider what this will do in loss of tax dollars for our City. We tost Ernie's Men's Store and our revenue is going to adjoining cities. The tax drain now also effects our schools. We have said no" to everything good coming into our City. We may not have another chance. Continued) MR. RUSSELL BLEWETT MR. VINCENT MORENO BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ? pei:6s^io Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council May 28, 1974 Page 7 Mr. T. E. Carpenter, 4346 Jerry Avenue, asked that the floor be opened to a11 at this time. Mr. Donald Holmes, 13838 Patm Avenue, asked what percent of interest is charged on the bonds. Mr. Magner said the State law prohibits a rate in excess of 7%. These bonds are tax-exempt, therefore are much more attractive. Mr. Don Holmes, regarding the cost per resident, stated it is possible to have $20,000 per unit, per person and do they have to relocate in Baldwin Park? Ms. Joan Flor said it is up to $15,000 per resident, plus up to $300 for moving expenses and flat $200 for fixed payment; $15,500 total. Tenants are entitled to $4,000. CRA will move anyone within a radius of 50 miles. Relocation is only for removal and relocation of personal property. Businesses also receive a relocation cost. Mr. Holmes said under Study #2 property purchased for $4.00 sq. ft. and sold for $1.00 sq. ft. and asked how this toss was justified. Mr. Sexton said $4.00 was appraised to the value of the land after it is developed. The developer pays $1.00 sq. ft. for the land before the hotel is built, Mr. Holmes said he understood Diversified Marketing people were interested in projects of 5 major sites in Baldwin Park and City Manager Mocalis said he did not know of any other sites under consideration at this time other than the 19 acres at Puente and Merced. Mr. Holmes asked how many years before the interest on the bonds will be paid and are administrative costs added to the total cost or is this a ftat-out expense of the taxpayer's money. Mr. Magner said none of this will be paid by the taxpayer. The financial concept wilt be the use of collateral generated by the developer the pro- perty taxes to be paid by the hotel) to borrow money. You would set up a special fund reserve to pay interest on bonds for perhaps the first three years until you pay the increment from the time you start until the development is complete, the building is standing and the taxes are being paid. You fund three years of interest so there wilt be no default in the interest payments until the actual flow of increments is caused to occur. The funding wilt come off of the top of the bonding and the City and residents wilt not pay one dime. Mr. Holmes asked wi11 the developers put up a surety bond to pay for costs if they decide not to develop. Continued) MR. T. E. CARPENTER MR. DON HOLMES MR. HOLMES MR. HOLMES MR. HOLMES BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ? peCC062711 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council May 28, 1974 Page 8 Mr. Ritchie said there would be a participation agreement between the Agency and the Developer after the Agency is formed as to the district they would develop. Part of the contract would be to have the developer put up a deposit or bond to assure that he will complete the pro- ject. This assures the bond buyer that there wilt be revenue on the bonds. The percentage would depend upon the decision of the Agency, the solvency of the developer and the amount of money involved in the project. Mr. Sexton said the developer has made an offer and it is contingent upon acceptance by the City. You cannot have a binding commitment until you have a contract. Mr. Holmes asked if there was anything to prevent the developer from changing his mind and Mr. Sexton said there is nothing that can prevent anyone from changing his mind. Ms. Marianne Johnson, 3825 North Foster Avenue, asked about the $85,000 on Page 19, initial costs and funding for the plan and administra- tive costs; where it is coming from, who is paying it? Mr. Sexton said it can be arranged from the up-front" money when the bonds are floated. If this money was loaned to the Agency by the City, the money would be paid back to the City. Mr. Orville Moran, property owner in the pro- posed development area, stated that \h years ago a proposal for development had not material- ized and he was now glad to see this proposed method of development made possible. MARIANNE JOHNSON MR. ORVILLE MORAN Mrs. Myrtle Asquith, 13138 East Judith Avenue, said everyone says there will be no tax increase to the property owner. Why was AB1267 passed? The City of Los Angeles is setting up a tax base through legislation to cover CRA as far as schools are concerned. Mr. Ritchie said when the City of Industry first created their first project, the law stated that the tax base was frozen for a11 agencies within the project area, including school districts. This was found to be a burden on the districts and it was anticipated there would be increases on assessed valuation even if nobody did anything constructive and they would lose it. The Industry project negotiated with the school district to pay them out of the agency revenue, enough money to pay them what they had lost by freezing the tax base. MRS. MYRTLE ASQUITH Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ? peTR^?-^. Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park May 28, 1974 City Council Page 9 Then SB90 came along and created the law so that school districts no longer lost their proportionate income as a result of the tax base freeze. The law then provided that the State would make up the difference to the normal amount per student that the State would spend and if the school district was still short then the State would levy its tax on the frozen base, not the unfrozen base and this could result in a small increase on the entire school district tax. When you create a CRA, the land is not wiped off the tax rolls. It remains at the value that was there before. It appears the question is which is more important whether local government should make use of this technique to upgrade the land in its jurisdiction or to be concerned about the County who has to make up its tax in some other way. Adjoining cities would use the hotel. Mrs. Asquith asked how the property is appraised. Mr. Dick Leonard said the property was appraised in as is" condition giving consideration to its full potential. Mr. Richard Carman, President of the San Gabriel Valley Better Government Association of California, asked if AB1267 had been repealed. Mr. Ritchie said the bill was still in effect; however, the tax rate can go up slightly, but it was doubtful if there would be a change. Mr. Carman said then this amount would be the amount that is subsidizing the development. He has a report showing how various cities look at this. He would give a copy to Council. Mr. Robert McNeitI, 3322 Mi 11 bury Avenue, asked if the seven men appointed by Council would be under the sole control of the CRA in Baldwin Park. Mr. Ritchie said any plan has to be adopted and concurred with by the Council and the CRA Board and Planning Commission. CRA would do day to day planning and Council would be the watch dogs". Mr. McNeilt asked how the seven men would be appointed. Mayor Hamilton said it would be a citizen com- mittee selected carefully. Mr. McNeill asked if this project area is built and CRA is adopted, wilt this project area be the last project. MR. R. CARMAN MR. ROBERT MC NEILL Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ? 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ? peAdjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council C0^?7-3 May 28, 1974 Page 11 Mayor Hamilton said they would have a public hearing for each project; at the present time they are considering this project only. Mr. Michael Hail, Bresee Street, asked if the taxes would go up if we don't have CRA. Mayor Hamilton said it is possible or that services would be cut as the City's operating costs are going up. Mr. Glen Robinson, 4708 Walnut Street, said if they would have to vote on a second project, why not vote on the first project? Mr. Bill Mooney, 3541 Puente Avenue, stated you have an appraisal; you build buildings; when you have potential income, you have a potential cost. You could do the program without spending $85,000. He asked that the explanations be set forth in a more concise understandable manner. Mr. Dick Leonard said this is called a Land Risidual procedure. This would be a land feasibility study and is not within the scope of the real property appraisal. At 10:00 p.m., Mayor Hamilton called for a 5 minute recess. 00- At 10:10 p.m. the meeting reconvened. Roll Call the same as at beginning of meeting. Mayor Hamilton announced the Baldwin Park Rodeo June 1, 1974 at 2 and 8 p.m. and June 2, 1974 at 2 p.m. at the Irwindate Racetrack for the Boys Club. $3.00 tickets are avail- able at merchants or Chamber of Commerce. Mayor Hamilton opened the meeting for comments from the audience. Comments were limited to 3 minutes. Mrs. Stevens, 20220 Puente Avenue, presented 53 letters addressed to the Mayor and City Council in which Baldwin Park residents had expressed approval of the proposed CRA pro- ject. She read the 53 names and said that none of them were property owners in the project area. She asked that Council con- sider the wishes of these people. Copies in official files). MR. MICHAEL HALL MR. GLEN ROBINSON MR. BILL MOONEY 5 MINUTE RECESS MEETING RECONVENED 10:10 P.M. B. PK. RODEO JUNE 1 & 2, 1974 MRS, STEVENS Mr. Robert McNeilt, 3322 Mittbury Avenue, said he had spent Memorial Day afternoon speaking to people in Baldwin Park regarding their feelings about CRA. He read a statement, We, the undersigned as tax-paying citizens of the City of Baldwin Park, request members of the City Council to adopt the CRA project". He stated there were 21 signatures. MR. ROBERT MC NEILL Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?petfc 08^75 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council May 28. 1974 Page 12 Mr. Michael Dargus, 13260 Francisquito Avenue, asked if alt the property owners in the project area wanted to sell, why did they have to go to CRA, why did they include two acres on the Southeast corner of Puente and Merced? In 1971, Motel Six, Inc. applied for a Zone Change on the corner and six months later, they asked for an extension because of the freeway storm drain construction, then they asked for another six months extension. Early in 1973 they said they would have CRA and the man dropped all of his options. He wants the City to subsidize the development of 2 acres. This will cost everyone and taxes will increase. He suggested that Council not ask for a tax increase in the future if this project is sub- sidized. Mr. Jerry Kitchel, 3308 Athot Street, said from all the questions asked, he could not see any- thing detrimental to Baldwin Park because of CRA. All aspects have been considered. We have a reputable panel to give advice. CRA would be favorable to the city, creating more jobs, and more revenue, help the school dis- trict and improve the image of Baldwin Park. If it goes to a vote of the people, fear tactics will be very effective and we could lose. A11 other cities are growing and we cannot afford to lose this. He asked members of the City Council to do something. Ms. Marianne Johnson, 3825 North Foster Avenue, referred to the Project Development booklet and said the only reference to a hotel was an undated and unsigned letter. Alt facts deal with only six acres; 13 acres mentioned on the tax page only. The facts are misleading. The Sheraton is a franchise and name. We are gambling tax- payers money; she felt free enterprise is good and preferable. Mr. Jay Angelo, 3123 Baldwin Park Boulevard, said the Chamber of Commerce Board of Directors are for this project. We have a project we can get and if feasible, this could be the last CRA pro- ject in Baldwin Park we wilt need. We should do what is best for Baldwin Park and show some progress and aid the taxpayer. He is in favor of free enterprise, but in the last 18 years there has been little free enterprise coming into Baldwin Park due to costs, etc. Mr. Ralph Middteton, 13122 Corak Street, said the projected time was 10 to 20 years before we would receive any revenue from this project. He did not object to the project, but protested the CRA concept and read excerpts from Government Code 51951, Excerpts from the California Health and Safety Code, Division 24, Part I Community Redevelopment Law. He stated there would be new councils. He would hold the present Council to the statement they would put CRA to a vote. Continued) MR. M. DARGUS MR. JERRY KITCHEL MS. MARIANNE JOHNSON MR. JAY ANGELO MR. RALPH MIDDLETON BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?pe00627o Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council May 28, 1974 Page 13 Mr. Fred Moran, 933 Acton Road, San Marino, said he owned four acres of the project pro- perty purchased 15 years ago. They built Denny's Restaurant for an investment. They have tried by private enterprise to develop the property and for some reason it never went through. They have tried to develop through private enterprise for 15 years, but have to go along with what the City wants. They pay taxes in Baldwin Park and are anxious to see it developed. The other 12 property owners want to see it developed by CRA. MR. FRED MORAN Mrs. Claire Middteton, 13122 Corak Street, said there had been a lot of discussion that this is just the one project. She read from a newspaper article by Alien Parker, So. E1 Monte City Manaqer, which says CRA, once formed, can work in any section of the city. It cannot be confined to just one area. This should be on the ballot as there are additional bills being introduced regarding CRA. If each project was subject to a referendum, she would have no objection. MRS. CLAIRE MIDDLETON Mr. Don Hotmes, 13838 Palm Avenue, said apparently there is nothing wrong with the property, but possibly with the City administration. Efforts should be made to keep the private business in Baldwin Park. Don't establish CRA now; there is too much legislation at the present time AB4157). Council should wait and then put CRA on the ballot. MR. DON HOLMES Mr. Russell Blewett, 3562 Baldwin Park Boulevard, said every developer says this is a good piece of property, but they can't develop it. The City will have to dip into reserves, increase taxes or cut services. West Covina wants this project and if we don't act quickly, it will go to West Covina. He asked Council to act on this project as alt of the property owners in the project are for CRA and only a fool can't change his mind when new facts are presented. MR. R. BLEWETT Mrs. Amos Slater, 4814 North Stancroft Avenue, said she was totally against CRA. She believed in free enterprise and wants what is best for Baldwin Park. CRA is too complicated and con- fusing for Council to decide and commit future councils. They should allow the people to hear the true facts and then vote and abide by the decision. MRS. AMOS SLATER Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peCC061W- Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council May 28, 1974 Page 14 Mr. Leonard Ray, Ray-Bird & Associates, Commercial Realtor, said he represented three major developers, one is a developer of K-Mart Stores. They have 7 new stores in California, 3 of them under CRA. They had heard that CRA might come into Baldwin Park about 5 months ago. K-Mart would do about 8 million dollars in retail sates per year. K-Mart will make a decision as to this site in July; they have given tentative approval, but without govern- mental assistance they will abandon the project. They have researched this for 5 years. It is not feasible to assemble 12 parcels, so governmental assistance is needed. He presented a copy of a tetter in official files) and said this is a good market area for Baldwin Park and the area. MR. LEONARD RAY Mrs. Gloria Zook, 4817 La Rica Street, referred to a May 24 Tribune item regarding K-Mart Stores which stated they are looking in South E1 Monte and in Baldwin Park, but she did not feel they would have 2 stores in this area. Mr. Ray stated K-Mart would also tike a store in South El Monte. In fact, they have room for 10 more stores in Southern California. MRS. GLORIA ZOOK Mrs. Susan Blewett, 3562 Baldwin Park Boulevard, stated the Mayor had received petitions from citizens of Baldwin Park and suggested that those individuals who do not trust the Council should run for Council the next four years. MRS. SUSAN BLEWETT Ms. Thelma Hyfill, 14457 Olive Street, said they own property at 14277 Garvey Avenue and have been trying to sell it for 10 years. It has freeway frontage and is valuable. She felt Council should do something now that they have the chance. MS. THELMA HYFILL Mr. Henry Litttejohn, 4225 North Jerry Avenue, said he had lived in Baldwin Park for 30 years. He is in favor of Council rendering a decision; it is their job to run the City. He said this project could go down the drain if they don't take action now. He said we have to raise our revenue or we win have a tax increase. City Council should make a decision for or against CRA or hold it in abeyance until it is needed and not go to a vote. He recommended a 7 man CRA Board and that the members be on the Council. This money should be made available in case we lose this project and another one comes along. He said Mr. Blair Holman had stated the Committee wi11 be ready to meet if called upon. Continued) MR. H. LITTLEJOHN BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peAdjourned Regular Meet-ing of the Baldwin Park City Council c;06»ya May 28, 1974 Page 15 Ms. Rose Martinez, 3581 North Frazier Street, said she was born here and has lived in Baldwin Park for many years and has seen the town suffer and go down. Many people have kept the town from growing; it is time we had a change and develop. We elected a Council because we trusted them to do a job and they should make a decision on CRA. She knows of 3 cases within her family where condemnation has been good. Some properties in the City are neglected and should be condemned. We should develop as we can't be any worse off than we are now. MS. ROSE MARTINEZ Mr. Carl Sharpe, 5018 Wimmer Avenue, said no matter what we do, it is a gamble and to pro- gress is natural. We cannot sit here idle and complain. It is time we stop listening to these few disgruntled people. MR. CARL SHARPE Mr. Richard Carman, 1415 Palm Avenue, San Gabriel, said that several people had asked him to represent them and just because he was from another town didn't mean that he wasn't concerned for this City. The Council has expressed a desire for information.... The report indicated development of 38 acres in the past year and that is 6 times as much as a 1/2 promised subsidized development. Even if the property wilt sell at 1/3 the cost, the developer will not get 1/3 the cost on materials and labor. Free enter- prise is best and CRA is discriminatory against other businessmen. He referred to his report and the Mayor suggested that this be given to the Council. MR. RICHARD CARMAN Mr. Worden, North Maine Avenue, said he did not feel everyone knew all about CRA, but Council should have the information and make the decision. Foolish promises should not govern their decision. MR. WORDEN Mr. Mike Hall, Puente Avenue formerly of San Gabriel), stated Mr. Carman had attended those meetings. He said Baldwin Park has a chance now and if we lose it, our taxes will go up again. MR. MIKE HALL Ms. Joy Robinson, 4708 Walnut Avenue, said if Council backed down on a promise, how can we believe anything in the future. MS. JOY ROBINSON Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peC00627^ Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council May 28. 1974 Page 16 Mr. Larry Carson, a property owner in the pro- posed project area, is Co-Chairman of the Puente- Merced Business Association and said all of the members are taxpayers and a11 have a large invest- ment in their property. He said Council should listen to the advice of the experts and vote for this project and CRA. The investors who buy bonds and the developer will be spending the money and we don't need a special election. Mr. Bernard Dow, 13059 Francisquito Avenue, said the people are entitled to a vote. MR. LARRY CARSON MR. BERNARD DOW Mr. Walter Finley, 4718 North Landis Avenue, said he believed this project would be good for the community and he would like to see development and growth in Baldwin Park which we can be proud of. MR. WALTER FINLEY Mr. Howard Sutterfield, 3779 Foster Street, said he believes in free enterprise, but he also is for representative government. Our representative govern- ment in Sacramento has made CRA possible. He said he felt they must go CRA to improve the tax base. He has confidence in the City Council to do the right thing. A vote is important, but the people have nothing to lose and the Council should move forward with CRA. MR. H. SUTTERFIELD Mr. Joe Cale, 3043 North Maine Avenue, thanked each of the panel members for appearing and giving of their time to answer questions. He would like Council to give a positive answer as we need this kind of development in Baldwin Park. He stated he did not know CRA, but he did know when a good thing comes along. MR. JOE CALE Rev. Roy Brewer, 4428 North Stewart Avenue, said we elect representatives because we feel they can make decisions. They are committed primarily to do what Is best for the community. Some have said they would like to take it to the vote of the people and have had reasons to change their mind and this is acceptable as they have studied the issue. He asked that Council vote their conscience on this issue and not what they think is the popular thing to do. REV. ROY BREWER Mrs. Sherry EUrnore, 3891 North Maine Avenue, said everyone can make promises, but sometimes it is wise to change their minds. MRS. S. ELLMORE Mr. James Garrow, 1011 Baldwin Park Boulevard, said let's move and spend a little money down along the freeway so we can make some money on this project and cut our taxes. Continued) MR. JAMES GARROW BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peAdjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council As the time was getting late. Mayor Hamilton stated some of the panel had to leave. He thanked them for their input and attendance. C C G6?60 May 28, 1974 Page 17 Mr. T. E. Carpenter, 4346 Jerry Avenue, said he felt that private enterprise is the best and we should not put the entire City in jeopardy. With private enterprise, taxes will revert to the City right away. He requested a vote of the people. MR. T. E. CARPENTER Mr. Richard Carman said he felt there should be a blackboard before the people showing a comparison of a11 the costs and taxes and when taxes wilt come back. The only fair way is to show both sides and the alterna- tives. One alternative would be that where there is a hold-up on a property, that you assure a potential developer that necessary rezoning for a designated area wilt be forth- coming if the developer negotiates for and picks up options for at least 90% of the total area. The Council should then approach the 10% hold outs" with an offer represent- ing the developer in further negotiations. Explain that if hold outs" do not cooperate, the Council will take action and for a tempor- ary CRA. The temporary CRA would function to purchase the hold outs" property only. The CRA will immediately sell the hold out" pro- perties to the developer at cost, plus expenses. At the close of escrow, the CRA will be dissolved With this method there would be no cost to the taxpayer, no tie-up of property and condemnations on adjoining property. People do not realize that CRA has a no-cost option on their property for 45 years and nobody had to put any money up to guarantee that they will buy. He stated that there are other alternatives. MR. RICHARD CARMAN Mr. Larry Carson said CRA is the only way to put this project over as a unified project. He was not sure that a motel by itself would be the proper thing for the area, but a com- plete project would help everyone. Howard Johnson is backing another project in this area. The West Covina Chamber of Commerce Tourist Committee has made a study which reveals that approximately 150,000 people drive the freeway and to get a small percent- age of that dollar would be great. A motel takes in 20% of what a tourist pays; the remainder goes to restaurants, service sta- tions, etc. This would be very meaningful to the community. MR. LARRY CARSON Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?peCC06P81 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council A Puente Avenue resident said he hoped to see it go. Council was elected to do a job and to make a decision. May 28. 1974 Page 18 Mr. Leroy Zook, 4817 La Rica Street, stated he was concerned with Council's moral commit- ment. Why the sudden rush? If the developer is so anxious, let them develop. He would like to see protection for the community built into CRA. MR. LEROY ZOOK Mr. T. E. Carpenter, 4346 Jerry Avenue, said with CRA we are inviting alt of the problems that other cities have. Other states have development without eminent domain and if this goes to a vote, people will not vote for it. MR. T. E. CARPENTER Ms. Susan Gray, 4600 Walnut Avenue, stated after all the discussion. Council should make up their minds and vote. Councilman Waldo said he had attended the Covina City Council meeting last Monday evening. They spent \h hours and when that was over, they discussed CRA and it took 3 minutes to make a decision and there was no testimony. In Baldwin Park, we have a pro- blem. We have made statements and he said he personally had stated that he would like to see CRA on the ballot. He had been definitely against CRA and now he had to face whether to push it or not. MS. SUSAN GRAY Councilman King stated he had learned a great deal about CRA and felt that it was a good tool. If CRA is formed, it would continue but it would require public hearings. He asked Mr. Carson why the property owners now that they have formed an association could not sell and use a parking district to help develop. Why should they use CRA; is this the only tool to get the project on the road? Mr. Carson explained that the problem is the project should be developed as a unit. If you package the front and rear costs, you come out with a lower average on the whole project. Somebody has to regulate the price and this seems to be a fair way to do it. Freeway front- age is too high. The Hi 1 ton Inn considered Baldwin Park previously, but went to San Bernar" dino as land was cheaper. West Covina has 78 acres right now and they are competing for this same development. Developers look for lower priced areas on the freeway. They look at Baldwin Park and it seems to have a hostile attitude and what have we got to bring them in? Continued) MR. CARSON BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1974 05 28 CC MIN(ÌìÓ?pe Oo?8^' May 28, 1974 Page 19 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council If you package it and have an average land price, then it is an attractive location for commercial development. If an initial project goes in, it wilt bring additional good development to Baldwin Park and all of the surrounding communities will benefit. A project is of no practical use without total development. Councilman King stated that something needs to be done to attract development and thanked Mr. Carson. Councilman McCaron said until we nail this down and really have a oroqram to follow, thev can't makp a decision. At this point there is not enough concrete information to make a decision. This is only a pro- posal. As we receive further information from the developer, we can assess better than at the present time. Councilman Gregory said she would withhold her remarks at this time. Mayor Hamilton said he had studied CRA for 2 years and felt he understands it pretty well. They still don't know all there is to know about it. To sum it up, he for one had made the statement that it should go to the vote of the people and at that time he believed that. When CRA first came up, people who were opposed to CRA came to him and said if they had a project, they would be for it. Now they have a definite project and the people still don't want it. After investigation and listening to experts, he felt the only way to get this project is under CRA. There have been changes in the law recently and he was in favor of CRA for this project. The people are for it and he will be ready to vote when Council is ready to act. This wilt be the best boon" that Baldwin Park has ever had. CRA can be good it if is handled right and we have people with the background to handle this. 00- AT 12:20 P.M. THE MEETING ADJOURNED. M/S/C: WALDO/KING. 00- ADJOURNED 12:20 P.M z^-^.^ THELMA L. BALKUS, CITY CLERK APPROVED: /^z^^'7 1974 7 Date of Distribution to City Council: August 2, 1974 Date of Distribution to Departments: August 2, 1974 BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 pe 1'? CC06273 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council May 28, 1974 Page 10 City Manager Mocatis said that Council is only interested^in projects where property owners involved wish to have a CRA project. Mrs. Amos Slater, 4814 Stancroft Street, asked if there was a limited interest amount of 7% and where would she find this law. Mr. Magner said in the Health & Safety Code 33.645 are rules regarding tax allocation bonds. 7% is the maximum now. MRS. AMOS SLATER Mrs. Slater said if enough money to pay the bonds, where is who gets stuck with to be paid. the agency doesn't take in principal and interest on the money coming from and the excess amount of tax Mr. Magner said the lender is the stuckee" and the one who loses money; the City has no obligation. Mrs. Slater said this conflicts with Mr. Sexton's statement when she asked this question which amounted to that City pays difference between what agency takes in and what they owe. Mr. Ritchie said Mr. Sexton was talking about the initial $85,000 necessary to get the plan ready for adoption. This money can be borrowed from a lender, the City or the developer. The money is returnable when the agency sells its bonds to whoever puts it up. If agency does not sell its bonds, then that money would not be recoverable from the agency. This is an investment by the agency based on how firm they feet the offer is so they feel secure the bonds will sell and that there will be a project. The City's credit is not involved in the sale of bonds. Mrs. Slater said the $85,000 initial cost to set up the agency and administrative costs, is it a fee which will be paid to a consulting firm to see if the project is feasible? Mr. Sexton said yes, the agency would have to prove it is a good plan so the risk is minimal. The salary costs would be commensurate with the skill and the number of personnel necessary to make the project workable. Mr. Conter, Orange, California, asked if the 19 acre proposed project would pay for their own police and fire protection as it is now. Is it true that if another project comes along, the people wilt have to vote on it again? City Manager Mocatis stated this was difficult to answer as protection is afforded to the schools who are under another taxing district; commercial and industrial do require more polic- ing, It is best to look at the highest and best use of the property. MR. CONTER Continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1974-U02 05-U02 28-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9835-U03 DO9882-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06