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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1976 04 26 CC MIN1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%pe1^ Q i^ APRIL 26, 1976 Discussion by City Council and Baldwin Park Planning Commission Planning Director Report on Problems of Baldwin Park Rental Property Commercial and Residential With a Recommendation to the City Council and Planning Commission to Solve the Problems Not Excluding Ordinance of Pasadena re Occupancy) Acting City Manager Directed to Report re Mr. Palmer's Function in City Hail Director of Public Works and Planning Director Directed to Get Together and Work Out a Procedure by Which the Two Departments can Work Together on a Uniform Basis Where the Enforcement Officer Will Handle All Sections of the Code Utilize the P.1.0. Along With Department Heads in Developing Procedure Which is Legal and Takes in the Public Relations Aspects of Talkirg to People as Well as Sending Them Written Communications Acting City Attorney Directed to Check Conditional Use Permit Approved ty the City of Irwindate and to Monitor the Hours of Operation and if They are in Violation use Whatever Legal Means at His Disposal to Abate Noise Whatever it Takes or Whatever Options are Available) Council and Planning Commission Discussion BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%peOC06376 ADJOURNED REGULAR MEETING OF THE BALDWIN PARK CITY COUNCIL APRIL 26. 1976 SPECIAL MEETING OF THE BALDWIN PARK PLANNING COMMISSION 7:30 P.M. MORGAN PARK COMMUNITY BUILDING, 14255 E. Ramona Boulevard The City Council of the City of Baldwin Park and the Baldwin Park Planning Commission met in joint study session at the above place at 7:30 p.m. Planning Commission Chairman Wittig led the salute to the flag. FLAG SALUTE Roll Call: Present: COUNCILMEN AGUILAR. BLEWETT, ROLL CALL HAMILTON AND MAYOR PRO TEM KITCHEL Absent: MAYOR WALDO Present: CHAIRMAN WITTIG. VICE CHAIRMAN LARSON. COMMISSIONERS ELKO. MORENO. SMITH AND WHITLEY Absent: COMMISSIONER BURNETT Also Present: ACTING CITY MANAGER SEXTON. DIRECTOR OF PLANNING KILGOUR. PLANNING ASSISTANT MONTOYA AND CITY CLERK BALKUS 00- The adjourned regular meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council and a special meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission j was called to order by Mayor pro tern Kitchel for the purpose of a joint study session. Chairman Wittig stated that the Planning Commission had requested this joint meeting to find out if they all agreed on goals and on the way they will arrive at these goals. He said that hopefully in these discussions the Councilmen that have not been involved in the planning process at a11 will understand why decisions are made in a certain way. He hoped it would be a fruitful, free discussion meeting and that everyone would bring their suggestions forward. He said he was not sure if the Council wished to start on the issue of a11 the committees appointed by Council, but that he would start the ball rolling by bringing up the Commission's main request for the consideration of the Council. First, for over 5 years they have been trying to find ways of improving the community by regulatory means, by putting conditions on requests for a variance or a C.U.P, and by all kinds of other means that have been fruitless. He said it is the consensus of the Commiss- ion that it is necessary to find a way to eliminate the eye- sores which are detrimental to the value of the homes in our neighborhoods and act as a magnet for undesirable elements. Unfortunately, it will take money. Second, standards and zoning matters should be considered. He said at the last meeting the idea was proposed for a zoning enforcement officer full time with a backup in the office. He said he felt it was an expenditure equally as Important as all the other services the City provides, as the home is the environment for the people in our community and needs to be Improved within the City as a whole. He said they have tromped on businesses and thinks the City has been negligent in perhaps being easy on them. He pointed out that some surrounding cities were faced at one time with the same situations we are and by being stricter the citizenship is now proud to live in their community. They had quite a problem to face and they faced it and lived up to it. He felt the basis of the community was to hold the people who live here, regardless of what other plans.we have. There is a definite continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%peCC06379 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council April 26, 1976 Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission Page 2 sign of neglect and decay and something needs to be done about it. In regard to a Zoning Enforcement Officer his qualifications should be to be familiar with the Zoning Code and recognize the obvious things that make a community look bad nd violations of the Code. He didn't care what department he worked in but felt It was important that his hours be staggered with different days off and that he work some Saturdays. His first job would be as backup in the office, but he would go put into the City to catch one item and then back out again on the next thing until the City is finally cleaned up. He said he thought this was on the mind of every Planning Commissioner when he sits there and rules on conditions to a request for variances, etc. It is an unclear picture and nobody will enforce it. Corrmissioner Smith said the Enforcement Officer should be directed to follow up on TUPs and zone changes and see that they are completed within a time limit and get reports out to keep the Commission and the Planning Director informed and up to date. Chairman Wittig suggested that since we are in the process of writing a new Code that graffitti be covered and possibly landscaping would do a better job. Commissioner Moreno was concerned with the lack of compliance and the tremendous problem with absenteeism ownership) and a tremendous element involving itself in our community. He thought that Pasadena has implemented a system that keeps the rent values up on property because it makes the landlord maintain the property. They had a lot of backwash in Pasadena because of the Ordinance which clearly states for business license requirements when they change entities or when they change occupancy within a dwelling that there is an inspection, and he thought they are not.able to turn on the electricity, water or gas until a walk through inspection is effected. They have gone to court and the Court has upheld the right of the City of Pasadena. They have an undesirable element in areas of their community, but that area looks better than the heart of our City. We are constantly deteriorating and seem to have a lack of law enforcement. There is a situation in the Northwest corner of town that has been dragging on for years and we seem to be helpless to correct it. Noise) There have been hearings that were costly and involved the time and study of the Planning Department. We don't seem to be able to effectually enforce the laws. There isn't any sense of hindsight in going in to create new communities without trying to solve the transient problem and getting at the heart of the problem. He believed that the rental properties, whether for commercial or residential use, should be property administered by normal laws and common decency. He has looked at structures within the City that he just can't believe exist with 10, 15 or 20 individuals living in those structures and they come and go and nothing is done about maintaining the property and it creates an eyesore and then the adjoining property starts to deteriorate. The more prestigious neighborhoods have started to slip and to slide; a good example of this is the Americana tract property. He referred to a person living on Jerry Avenue that is constantly deteriorating the property and he said pretty soon there is no one next door who wants to live next door to a pigsty? He can't sell the house because of problems with financing and all the redlining" laws in the state of California. There should be compliance with present laws and enforcement. The property is a rental and in comes another transient and after awhile there are 3 or 4 structures and we have continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%peOC06378 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission April 26. 1976 Page 3 watched this deteriorate. He stated that the Planning Department had made a diligent effort and came out with a good General Plan that was one of the first in L.A. County to be completed and approved in house, but he asked what good is a General Plan if it is going to end up in a pigsty. It isn't worth the paper it is written on and probably not worth the effort and funds expended. He stated he thought there was a need for a lot of things in this City and that any new funds the Council is going to consider should be along the lines of a) compliance with our present laws, b) en- forcement of our present laws and c) the manpower to implement the program. He said the City was not going to accomplish anything until they start to clean up and conserve what they do have. Y Commissioner Larson said when property is rerented the City should have inspections to see that it meets the Code or is torn down. On an FHA sale, if things don't meet the Code they are torn down. If we did that with both commercial and residential rentals, he thinks we would dean up the City. He would suggest inspections once a year. Director of Planning Kilgour explained that in Pasadena an occupancy inspection situation was taken into the courts by an apartment owner group and the City won. Basically, the situation was that a11 the building and safety and planning types of violation regulations that are applicable to the home as far as the maintenance of the rental facility are checked over with the new occupancy of that portion of the dwelling or if the whole unit is sold, and then they have a time limit of 6 months to a year where no inspection is needed unless there is an obvious problem there or a turnover. Theoretically, there is also a regular inspection on businesses and rentals like this and within a 5-year period they should without any turnover) cover the whole city. So there is a regular procedure and an occupancy inspection as a result of new business licenses where they come forward and check these immediately. Commissioner Larson said electrical violations should be inspected and corrected. Mr. Kilgour explained that as far as occupancy inspection on commercial and industrial properties, they have been doing this for 6 to 8 months here in connection with business licenses and there hasn't really been any problem. It is just the basic health and safety type of violation. In a retail store on Maine Avenue recently corrections were required because the building could have burned down; also one of the toilets wasn't working. These are typical problems. The building doesn't look any different on the outside, but in terms of safety it is an improved situation. Commissioner Smith said we should not discriminate against property owners, but should enforce the. Nuisance Law. It isn't going to do any good if we get those rentals cleaned up and the property owners don't continue maintenance He thought they should both pull together. Chairman Wittig didn't think this was the time and place to go into detail. He thought we should hold the big conversations and numerologies until we are walking in the same direction and then lay the groundwork and come continued) v. BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%pe8^9000 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission April 26» 1976 Pflige 4 up with proposa1s» knowing that our proposals fall on a listening ear and not Into the sand. Commissioner Moreno said he thought that under the L«A. Abatement Law a time and place for a hearing had been set about the 1st of February to abate a nuisance. He said you must have a bonaflde reason such as having a property In escrow and beginning construction or they don't listen to you. He would like to use this law. Once the abatement notice Is handed out and If not abated by a specific deadline* a second notice goes out that says you have until the 26th and then the City of L.A. Is engaging the services of a private contractor who win do the abating and you will be billed on your next property tax bill. He said there Is no fooling around and he knows It Is a hard way to go but that sometimes drastic measures must be used. He believed the Issue In Pasadena was handled by a branch of the NAACP who carried It all the way to the State Supreme Court, who upheld the City of Pasadena. He was for nuisance abatement on all properties» Including the Board of Education, where there are weeds along the fences. He said the City generally must clean their own house first, remove graffiti on curbs and gutters and street signs and dean up utility line property. Commissioner Eiko agreed wholeheartedly and said he had quite a few rentals himself and didn't have any problems with any of them. He said he does alt his own lawn work. Councilman Hamilton asked Mr. Moreno If he was speaking of enforcement on commercial or residential property? Commissioner Moreno said any property that needs a nuisance abatement Including vacant lots commercial or residential or occupied property. The parkway Is part of the City's responsibility as well. The City of L.A, Is doing this In sections at a time and are very serious about getting It cleaned up. Councilman Hamilton asked what happened to our abatement. He said It used to come before Council; then It was changed over where they would meet with the City Manager and If they d1dn*t carry It out they would meet before Council. He stated that Baldwin Park was one of the first to have this law and that 1t was enforced. It was turned over to Planning and the City Manager. Mr. Kllgour said the nuisance abatement process was not In effect when he came with the City so he started It. Councilman Hamilton explained that the abatement process has been In effect for over 10 years but maybe a change had been made. There used to be from 1 to 5 cases presented nearly every Council Meeting and then It was changed to where they would meet before the City Manager and Planning Director for an abatement and If they didn't carry It out or appealed 1t 1t would come before the Council. They didn't push the law and of course ran Into a lot of difficulties. He said there hadn't been an appeal In over a year. Assistant City Manager Sexton said the City used to Inspect every home In the City twice a year but this was suspended by order of the City Manager. The Municipal Code was changed, The weeds and trash are turned over to the Fire Department and health Department and we only do them on a complaint basis. Major public nuisances are also on a complaint blasts. It continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%peOOQ698(X, Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission was politically sensitive. Councilman Hamilton said he didn't understand why the change was made. He was under the Impression that the City still had a zoning enforcement officer. Mr. KHgour explained that the zoning enforcement is still pursued. Rundown structures and fire hazards are not In the zoning ordinance but are In the Municipal Code under Nuisance Abatement. That Is City wide and handled by the City Manager's office. Councilman Hamilton again questioned why the nuisance abatement was discontinued. Councilman Btewett said the reason was that a man was elected in 1974 who was against abatement laws. He said that Council was sensitive to criticism, with the exclusion of Councilman Hamilton, and that an individual kept coming up and haranguing on Illegal Invasion of people's constit- utional rights. He said he didn't agree with all that. Mr. Wittig said this particular type of testimony Is not to be taken seriously as one day the testimony Is that it 1s Invasion of privacy" and later It is why don*t you do something about this nuisance" and is Inconsistent. Councilman Blewett said this City was best known for and was the model for abatement ordinances all over the state. This was instigated back in the 60's and was a good ordin- ance but the Council became politically sensitive to It and just stopped. He didn't think there had been any on the agendas in the last year although there are certainly nuisances about. The only ones they took would be on a complaint unless someone from Planning found a zoning violation. Councilman Hamilton said at the time nuisances quit coming before Council they started coming before the City Manager for hearings. He assumed they were still being handled that way. He believed the Council had had one appeal and had not heard any complaints. He said they used to have slides that took time on nuisance abatement but that it was very effective and being enforced. Later the nuisances came before the City Manager and if there were any appeals it came before the Council, but since there haven't been any he assumed it was still in effect and being done. In his opionion some of the enforcements on abatements where people had been cited for violations were not a violation. He understood this is being corrected in the new Code and wants to get the new Code so it can be adopted and the corrections can be made. Councilman Kitchel said it was his understanding that the last staff person was Pamela Baker. Mr. Kilgour said there^aa zoning enforcement. He said that talking to people on the zoning ordinace had been successful and that they have been getting compliance. He stated that one of the problems of measuring enforce- ment of regulations is that the things you can measure on a piece of paper are the things that people will usually end up with on the agenda or at the District Attorney's office. It is difficult to measure compliance when issuing citations they don't comply. There may be continued) April 26. 1976 Page 5 BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%peTftb9000 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council April 26, 1976 Special Meeting of the Ba1ch;:n Park Planning Commission Page 6 4 or 5 situations weekly plus occupancy inspections and new business licenses that can be resolved with the zoning ordinance. Jim Rogers is handling this for Planning right now. Dick Cunningham out of Public Works handles those on a complaint basis. Councilman Blewett stated that direction came from the Council only on a complaint basis. Councilman Hamilton said the direction did not come from the Council he was sitting on. Everytime they would see a violation of the Municipal Code the man they had out in the field would inspect it and come up with an abatement because there has been no direction from Council that they were told not to abate unless there was a complaint. Let's find out what is being done and see if we can come up with a solution. Everyone has heard the complaints and suggestions from the Planning Commission and what they think should be done. He asked what is being done, if anything? Mr. Kilgour said we are limited in Staff and how much we can handle but we do run zone enforcement now. He believed we still have these regulations on Nuisance Abatement on the books that were there in 1974. Chairman Wittig said he thought the present Staff can barely take care of the matters that come before them but we are talking about the obvious things that nobody complains about and feet that nothing can be done about it. There is something that can be done about It. Mrs. Balkus explained that a couple of years ago during budget sessions the position of enforcement officer was eliminated from the budget. Chairman Wittig said that it is equally important to consider this in your budget because it is for the environ- ment of our community and when you consider the price of police protection after the barn door Is closed It Is twice as expensive if you have no way of controlling 1t. If you let 5 families move into an apartment there Is no way that you can controT It. Councilman Hamilton said in that case you would have to change the Code. We have nothing that says that so many people families) have to live in an R-1 dwelling. Mr. Kilgour said we have a Housing Code but it does not specify occupancy within a home. There is a limit to the number of people per square ft. in a bedroom. Mr. James Sexton said he didn't think there has ever been anybo<ly who enforced a Housing Code provision. He didn't think there has ever been any inspection water tanks, etc-. Chairman Moreno said basically he would like the Commission and Council to consider priorities. There 1s a need for a Commission and a Staff and he felt before we Involve ourself with the budget that we should reassess and re- evaluate our positions. The Council has the strings to the purse and the Planning Commission advises and supports the Codes. We have seen people come before us with programs and have compromised and tried to satisfy the needs of every individual within the confines and dictates of what will be acceptable and compatible within the community, and then we don't see it followed through because there is no enforcement. He felt very strongly that we must have enforcement. continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%peAdjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission He said we are at a turning point and if we don't take the right direction we are going to get so deep in a hole we win never get out. Our values in what we owe the community are above and beyond our future needs. If we don't take care of what is here now there is not gping tO be a future. We have to allocate the funds. There is a body that is governing this City and piloting the ship^and we have to decide which way the community is going to go. We have to meet that commitment because we are deteriorating. Every day, everyone in this room sees someone of some value and stature leave this community or talk about leaving and what comes in as a replacement citizen or neighbor is of less stature, less value and far less interest. We have to reinforce that Interest and we have to spend money. We need a Youth Committee. That's great if you want to take the money and spend it there, but basically he thought it would be better to take the money and start to clean up now. The statutes have the compliance laws; therefore this is the tool, but we need the body and we need the people. He said the Planning Department does an excellent job and he has yet to see them fail to turn out very specific data in reference to a packet they have prepared and he doesn't mean just the people sitting here it is part of the spirit of City Hall and a great spirit but they do need help. They see what is wrong here but are not miracle workers. They are going to catch the abatement programs because of its nonconfonning use. They are aware of these things and have clerk-typists that sit there and catch these things. But he said we are talking about people in the field, about money and the budgets and the ability to push these things through. He said Virgil mentioned that we had compliance back in the 60's and that he believed it because he said once he didn't cut his grass for 3 weeks because he wasn't feeling well and he got a letter in the mail advising him of the statute in the community. He said that meant that someone was out looking around and that is not happening today. If we are going to continue to draw the type of people that are coming into the community lately, we are not going to need compliance people in planning and zoning and abatement. We are going to need law enforcement. Councilman Blewett said he would like to see more enforcement but you have to have a unanimity of purpose between the Council and the Planning Commission and it takes a certain amount of intestinal fortitude to follow through with it. If you decided to do it, you have to go all the way. You can't just start into it and t^ien start backing off. He believes in this City approximately 55% to 40X are rentals. He said he would like to see and put It in the form of a motion) A COMPLETE REPORT BROUGHT BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION W THE AMOUNT OF RENTAL PROPERTY IN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. Cornnercial is different than residential. Commercial rises and falls. If it doesn't look too good, it doesn't rent. We saw that in our downtown property. It started looking a little better and now^nore is rented-. But housing is a different animal. There is always somebody who is wining to take less in housing. THE REPORT WOULD COME BACK TO BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE COUNCIL WITH A RECOMMENDATION FOR AN ORDINANCE WITH PROVISIONS SIMILAR TO THOSE OF PASADENA INCLUDING OCCUPANCY. There is going to be a hue and cry in the community, but we are in a housing battle with the cities of S. El Monte, some portions of Bassett and La Puente and possibly Duarte to see who can get the lowest class of renter. Maybe we can make it a little more difficult to rent and they can sell continued) 0006988 April 26. 1976 Page 7 BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ% pe0006983 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission some of their houses. This town can not be hurt with home ownership. They would probably be better off. He thought he saw a figure of over 90% of homes in Covina as being home occupied* It would be great if we had that in Baldwin Park. He thought it was a truism that if a person lives in a house he takes better care of it. PLANNING DIRECTOR EMPOWERED TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND PLANNING COMMISSION WITH A COMPLETE REPORT ON THE PROBLEMS OF RENTAL PROPERTY WITHIN BALDWIN PARK AND THE PERCENTAGES OF PROPERTY BOTH COMMERCIALLY AND RESIDENTIALLY USED THAT IS RENTER OCCUPIED WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT HE WOULD DEEM NECESSARY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS NOT EXCLUDING THE ORDINANCE THAT THE CITY OF PASADENA HAS REGARDING OCCUPANCY) M/S/C: BLEWETT/HAMILTON. There were no objections. April 26. 1976 Page 8 PLANNING DIR. REPORT ON PROBLEMS OF BALDWIN PARK RENTAL PROPERTY COMMERCIAL & RES- IDENTIAL WITH A RECOWENDATION TO THE C.C. & P.C. TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS NOT EXCLUDING ORD OF PASADENA RE OCCUPANCY) Councilman Hamilton said we have the statutes on the books but not the enforcement. It is probably time now to request that we hire a full time law enforcement officer on abatement. Can we do this now or would we have to wait on our budget and do it at that time? Our budget won't be adopted until July. There is a need. Can we afford to hire a full time Abatement Officer? Can we do that without an amendment to the budget at this time? Mr. James Sexton said funds can be transferred. Councilman Blewett said that he would like to suggest before we hire somebody that there are a couple of things we might research first. He was not opposed to hiring someone, but he asked if it was possible that some of the Housing Develop- ment money could be used in a"program similar to this. Mr. Kilgour said if it is structured properly and have an area that is not City wide, some of these funds can be used. If it is a project or an area and not just general maintenance of the whole City and is worked out properly, it can be done. Councilman Blewett said his understanding of it is that the Housing & Community Development Fund is being increased and that we are going to get $260,000. Councilman Hamilton asked if there is a department whereby we could transfer one person to enforce this and if we have that much manpower without going out and hiring an extra man. He said we used to do it. Do we have one person that we can pull from that office to go out and do this? He said he would tike to get an enforcement officer out on this and not wait until July 31st as there is a need now. We did this with the same number of people we have on the Staff now. Mr. James Sexton said that Mr. Palmer used to do this and now works with the business licenses. He said he will investigate this. Councilman Hamilton said he could not see how it takes a full time man to enforce the business licenses. CITY MANAGER DIRECTED TO BRING BACK A REPORT REGARDING MR. PALMER'S FUNCTION IN THE CITY HALL. continued) A.C.M. DIRECTED TO REPORT RE MR. PALMER'S FUNCTION IN CITY HALL BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ% pe0000984 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission Councilman Blewett said that the last time he talked to Mr Palmer he was functioning on business licenses, which are revenues. They are picking them up. They are finding a lot of violations; however, there have,been complaints that we didn't come down hard enough. So when you put yourself in the position of living next to a pig pen none of us would like that. We h?ve^n. obligation to the citizenry to overcome that violation so he thought it would be a very good thing for Mr. Sexton to bring back a report and possibly maybe the Building Department has spare time and he would like to move that THIS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE A POLICY RE-INSTITUTED WHERE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD, AS TIME PERMITS. BE OUT VISITING THE NEIGHBORHOODS SEEKING OUT OBVIOUS PUBLIC NUISANCES. Councilman Hamilton asked if Councilman Blewett was speaking of violations of Building Code. Councilman Blewett said he was speaking of yard cleanup and anything that is an obvious public nuisance. Councilman Hamilton said he would like to suggest that Acting City Manager Sexton go through and check the departments to see if we have a person that can go out and work and enforce this Abatement Law and if we can*t find one. he suggested we hire one. If we can find one within our own Staff, let's do it and do it immediately. DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND PLANNING DIRECTOR DIRECTED TO GET TOGETHER AND WORK OUT A PROCEDURE BY WHICH THE TWO DEPARTMENTS CAN WORK TOGETHER ON A UNIFORM BASIS WHERE THE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER WILL HANDLE ALL SECTIONS OF THE CODE. M/S/C: BLEWETT/ HAMILTON. There were no objections. Councilman Blewett clarified that one man will do both functions zoning and public nuisance. Councilman Aguilar suggested that the individual be responsible to the Council. Councilman Blewett felt that would not be the.best way to do it. The department heads fluid the hole City Hall have to work together. If we find out they aren't functioning together we can make adjustments. Councilman Hamilton said if things g6 bad and we get too many complaints, we will certainly hear about It. Councilman Blewett said he wa^Qt l.o^f^DfM M.^c, Relations Officer but that since we have him we might as well use his body and that he would like to have the Public Relations Officer directed to get together with the Planning Department and the DPW and work out a procedure^by which to notify the people,that would be legal but the people don't feel terribly threatened. As an example, he said he received many complaints from people who get their water cut off they don't get love) they get one notice and then off it goes, followed by a phone call. So sometimes in today s society people continued) April 26. 1976 Page 9 D.P.W. & PLANNING DIR. DIRECTED TO GET TOGETHER & WORK OUT PROCEDURE BY WHICH THE TWO DEPTS. CAN WORK TOGETHER ON A UNIFORM BASIS WHERE THE ENFORCE- MENT OFFICER WILL HANDLE ALL SECTIONS OF THE CODE BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ% pe000698^' Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission April 26. 1976 Page 10 people get so busy that they aren't well organized and they make mistakes. If you can love people into doing things a phone call should be received from somebody or a letter or a little documentation. Mr. Kilgour made a very valid statement when he said he had been getting good compliance on the zoning laws because they are talking to people. He thought this is true in yards, too, and there is a good chance to enhance the image of the City. Commissioner Whitley said that as stated, people would come before this Commission and they would listen and then no excuses, they would shut them off. He stated that we could operate like the large city of Los Angeles but that we are stilt a small town and, as Mr. Blewett said, a little bit of love will probably get us a heck of a lot further. We are going to be giving one man an awful lot of power which must be used correctly. Councilman Btewett said he represents all of us here and Councilman Hamilton said he will also be working under the direction of the City Manager. UTILIZE THE PUBLIC RELATIONS OFFICER ALONG WITH THE DEPARTMENT HEADS IN DEVELOPING A PROCEDURE WHICH IS LEGAL BUT ALSO TAKES IN THE PUBLIC RELATIONS ASPECTS OF TALKING TO PEOPLE AS WELL AS SENDING THEM WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS. M/S/C: BLEWETT/AGUILAR. There were no objections. Commissioner Moreno suggested that Council consider the creation of a group of volunteer citizens to act as a buffer between the Council and the community. When these gears of law start to grind against the people, they are going to want to go someplace and discuss what has been said and what has been levied against them. It might be a good idea to listen to their side of the story and render a decision either backing the law enforcement officer or sending him back out in the field to reassess his position or give some consideration to the people. He didn't think they should have the power to completely reinforce or deny the action, but should act as a buffer between the Council and the people who will inundate the Council. Councilman Kitchel asked if that kind of idea wasn't used by Jim Mocalis. He thought he had had informal sessions in his office once or twice a week whereby people could complain. He thought it was an effective way Councilman Hamilton explained that the people would come before us and we decided to give them 60, 90 or 120 days and if they didn't abate, then we would send somebody to dean it up. This worked well. The enforcement officer on abatement would go out and inspect the place and tell the fellow that he was in violation of the Code and that he and the City Manager could meet in City Hall on a public hearing and then they would sit down and go over it. Many times they would agree and he would comply. If he refused to comply, he had a right to appeal to the Council. Other times we had to be hardnosed and say, you are violating the Code and continued) UTILIZE THE P.1.0. ALONG WITH DEPT. HEADS IN DEVELOPING PROCEDURE WHICH IS LEGAL & TAKES IN THE P.R. ASPECTS OF TALKING TO PEOPLE AS WELL AS SENDING THEM WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ% 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ% pe000^^7 Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission Councilman Aguitar asked how long Council has between when the Planning Commission acts and when the Council acts. Chairman Wittig explained that in some matters it will come automatically to Council to act on. In others, only if the Council chooses to pick it up or if the Planning Commission action is contested. He thought the approach is wrong and that it is important that the Council under- stands how the Commission arrives at a decision not that the Council has to concur, because there are several factors over which the Comnission has no say-so." Chairman Wittig said. Let's take the average case of the man wanting to subdivide with so many houses. They split the lot and they have to get a variance because the lot is 55' wide and we require 65'. He was sure the Commiss- ion and the Council agree that that is a reasonable request because the majority of the properties are 58' and a decision is made after looking at each individual case. A subdiv-lder comes in with a subdivision with 50 houses. He argues for a variance and the only reason he needs a variance is that the land is cut up in such a fashion that there is no other way. It is just another reason to squeeze another house out of the community. He said he didn't know which way the decision would go but that it would take more thinking than the typical case where the man would say he had one lot 49' and one 51' where he comes before us and there is some trading going on. He thought the Intent of the goal needs to be kept in mind; for instance, to have a back- yard to be enjoyed by a family. If somebody comes along with a request for variance and we can see that there is a compensatory good reason somewhere, there is no doubt about it we will give. He thought what hurt some feelings was when a decision was made to grant someone an extra piece of cake. The money was there. It was obvious, because it was a transaction that took place. A piece of land divided into 3 parts with 2 parts to be new and the existing part to be left alone. The existing property was to be brought up to Code, meaning that they have to construct a garage. He said always the strongest argument for Planning is that the people overruled the Comnission because they felt it wasn't necessary. It was necessary because It was the same law the Comnission applied there as they apply to everybody else. He asked why the law wou1dn*t apply here to this man that had money coming in. He said that particular case was one of the reasons he asked for this discussion to talk about these things. He stated we are all pulling on the same string and reaching for the same goal and asked how we are go-ing to reach the same goal. If they don't have a way of applying it equally, then it is almost useless for the Comnission to request certain things for certain people. He would like for Council to try to put themselves in the Planning Commission's position and try to find the reasoning why. The second thing to be understood is that the testimony before the Planning Commission and the testimony before the Council is never the same. If the Planning Commission turns somebody down. he came armed with a rifle and then when he comes before the Council he is armed with a cannon because he is bringing a11 the ammunition that he can bring. He has listened to testimony before Council on the same argument that was before the Commission, but the testimony didn't match different excuses and reasons. It didn't sound like the same hearing. He said he didn't mean to imply that he was unhappy with the Council's decision as once in awhile he can understand, but this didn't make sense. continued) April 26, 1976 Page 12 BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%peWW Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council April 26, 1976 Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Connission Page 13 Councilman Aguilar said the Commission meets on Wednesday and that Council receives their packet^ w? Friday which is less than 5 days. / Mr. Kilgour said there is really more dffle^th^n that. From the time the Commission actually takes action 3 weeks are involved. If there is ever a situation wh^re 1t<1qoks like the information is incomplete, it 1s no problem to defer action on the item and say, we would like more information on this item and hold it over until we get more information. Commissioner Larson said a case he was talking about was where a majority of the Council overruled and he contacted a Councilman and asked him why he voted that way because it was a violation of the City Ordinances and that's why they voted he has to put sidewalks in. He could not understand why Council went against the codes. The Councilman said he did not understand \ the minutes. Chairman Wittig said the other argument is a point he has stressed several times, that when it comes to financial matters the Council is the one that has to carry the burden and he would be the last to get bent out of shape if the Council couldn't concur with a recommendation they had made because of the expense involved. He said that a decision of a zone change is really not based on the business that is to go in there. A zone change is granted on the land only. The use that takes place afterwards is something.else. Every permitted use under M-1 is acceptable and you have no legal right to turn it down. That might be the reason sometimes that a zone change is granted or denied, because there are some uses that aren't quite compatible with the surrounding areas. A.tool used in the past was to recommend a zone change and recomnend that Council hold Second Reading on the Ordinance until conditions are complied with. There was static from the legal department, but he was always encour- aged to proceed with it because it Is a good toot. It was originally used to keep bllrni spectators out of areas where Baldwin Park started to change* and where people bought up land or had ii rezoned from R-1 to C-1 or C-2. That stopped when we started to take Inventory and said we have so much of this and so much of this and no definite plans, and the j fantastic prices that people,.thpi^ht they cou,ld get for their property because of t^zon^change.dldn^t materialize. He said if the legal department sees fit, he would like to encourage that OR. zone changes we can guarantee that Council withhold Second Reading so we would have somewhat of an assurance that that particular use actually would go ther^,, Councilman Kitchel said it sounds to him like the Planning Commission was uftset,^?ay§^t^ SJ), hadn't done their homework. Chairman Wittig said he did not wish to imply that. Commissioner Moreno said he thought-basically it was probably the Planning Commission because they didn't push hard enough for a meeting. He thought they all put It off until after the election. Chairman Wittig said the rapid change in City Managers had also been a factor. continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%pe000698^ Adjourned Re^rfar Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission April 26. W6 Page 14 Conmissioner Moreno said this was no reflection on Mr. Kilgour as he didn't come in until they were almost ready to ask for a meeting. It has been one thing after another that prevented meetings. A philosophy should flow through the Conmission to the Council. Councilman Hamilton said he had never criticized the decisions of the Planning Comnission. They are a body separate from the Council and there to make their decisions without the concurrence of the Council. He clarified a statement made that he did not necessarily agree with. The Comnission has approved certain zones and the Council reversed it when it would be very detrimental and he thought it was bad and the neighbor- hood thought it was bad. One was a dog kennel about 300 ft. from City Halt and the other was a dance hall which the neighbors were all against. But the Commission approved and Council reversed that decision by a unanimous vote because they had reason to. He did not question the action of the Commission. He thought the Comnission and the Council should be presented with the same testimony. Chairman Wittig said there is a bad taste because an individual came to their meeting and carried It to the newspaper and they came out with an article that was out of context and did not convey the meaning of the words that were spoken.. He asked that Council disregard this. If the Council feels they have a decision to make, this is fine with him but he would like to know why, so that in the future he can put himself in the position of the Council and say this is another matter. Everyone has a different philosophy. As an example, he said, let's take a piece of property that is a C-2 property and a man comes up for a variance to do a certain thing. Now we listen to the testimony, which you have to categorize, because each testimony carries different weight. When a man lives next door on a nonconforming use, his testimony does not weigh quite so heavily in opposition to, as the man who lives next door in the proper use. This man who lives on a nonconforming use hasn't applied for a zone change to make it permanent. He fs holding thfct piece of property for investment'^ SaW. So Wferefd^ eventually, that piece of property WIT^go^tIn ft6 same' direction as that piece of pv^Ojwty fw hich \ the C.U.P. is requested. Therefore, hTs testimony cannot be weighed as heavily as the mart on- the otter corner who lives in an R-1 zone\ H6 has a defWflSe right. The same holds true of the habitueT testified. f How much weight do you give him?" Sohietl^thes thafc' testimony is good, but sometin^s he as1fearful hat', because of the consistency with wWc^ the testimony i is given and the testimony being so irrelevant, we are missing the good points he is giving to us because we turn off." We have to. When tMIs particular testimony gets too obnoxious, he WOhderS if there is even one person on the Commission that would change his own thinking just to be in opposition to that testimony. That could also be a human factor. The length of his testimony is related to whether it is in his own interest and to the size of the audience. He thinks they can make a sound decision even with this kind of testimony, but wanted the Council to understand how decisions are arrived at by the Commission. continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%pe boo^^o Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council April 26, 1976 Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission Page 15 Councilman Blewett said that this is the finest Planning Commission Baldwin Park has ever had, that he can remember. If he didn't agree with the Coinnission he would be the first to say so and he was sure they would,respect that, because if they asked him, he would give ttiem his reasons. He thought the Commission's thinking was very practical and that is what it has to be. He had nown Planning Commissioners in the past to say You've got a'100 ft. lot. You've got 1 house. That's it." This Conmission has shown some real common sense in that area. It's almost like telling the guy he can't develop. Then you have to look at alternatives. The alternative would be that it would be a pile of weeds and this Commission has the practical knowledge and the expertise to weed that out. He didn't think this Council had yet overturned the Commission. He thought this is generally the feeling of this Council, which is an extension of the old Council only maybe a little more so he thought the past Council was pro-business and that this one is maybe a little more so). He didn't think there was any essential change or that the Commission would have any trouble getting along with the Council. Commissioner Moreno said when they made a practical decision, based on the facts and the code, and the Council reversed their decision, he had the desire to know if he missed anything and whether he heard all the pertinent data and reached a final, unbiased opinion. In those few instances, he looks at the Council's decisions and wonders what he missed. Not understanding it doesn't mean he is criticizing but to see if there might be some area that he is not cognizant of, because he really could not see why their decision was reversed. The question is where did they miss how did they get so far off base? He thought that was the question that troubles all of the Commission, and when they read the minutes of the Council Meeting or were there to see what transpired, they walked away shaking their heads but it wasn't criticism. The Council and the Commission reiterated previous comments and Councilman Blewjett said a Planning Conrois.sion is supposed to make decisions based upon zoning and'land use, while the Council is supposed to take in a wider Scope and sometimes takes the political process into consideration. Councilman Blewett asked where Mayor Waldo was and Councilman Kitchel said he hadn't heard from him s,lnce,Ust Wednesday night. Mr. James Sexton said he hadn't heard from him. Chairman Wittig said he would 1Tke\o remain on the Commiss- ion and expressed appreciation and thanlced the Council for their time and effort. They will call on Council for another meeting. Councilman Hamilton said the Mayor,ahrf Chairmah Wittig should have the privilege of calling a meeting to get together a couple of tin^.^ e^c" U^ rtant^that both bodies work together. He was very pfe^ect wfth"thfs"^ Planning Commission and expressed his appreciation to the Commissioners for the time given and the things they do without compensation. Discussion followed that meetings would be on a request basis, as needed. continued) BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%peooo m\ Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission Apri1 26. 1976 Page 16 AT 9:50 P.M. THE COUNCIL MEETING ADJOURNED. M/S/C: BLEWET/HAMILTON. There were no objections. AT 9:50 CHAIRMAN WITTIG ADJOURNED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. There were no objections. 00- 9:50 P.M. COUNCIL MEETING ADJOURNED 9:50 P.M. PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ADJOURNED y^^f /c^^^^^ fe^L^ THELMA L. BALKUS, Cm CLEftK———— APPROVED: i^L /7 1976 Date of Distribution to City Council: May 18, 1976 Date of Distribution to Departments: May 18, 1976 BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 1976 04 26 CC MIN(ÌìÏ%peCITY OF BALDWIN PARK BID OPENING ONE 1) NEW. 1975 OR 1976 1/2 TON PICKUP OR STAKE TRUCK SMALL SIZE) FOR USE BY PARKS & RECREATION DEPT.) MAY 3. 1976 2:15 P.M. CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS Leo Hoffman Chevrolet 15432 E. Nelson St. La Puente. CA 91744 Jack Walt Chevrolet, Inc. 3003 E. Colorado Blvd. Pasadena, CA 91107 Norm King Dodge, Inc. 121 East Alosta Glendora. CA 91740 Maurice J. Sopp & Son 5801 Pacific Blvd. Huntington Park, CA 90255 One 1) New, 1975 or 1976 1/2 Ton Pickup or Stake Truck Small Size) Deli very Unit Price Sales Tax Total Price Date $ 3.954.06 $ 237.24 $ 4.191.30 45 days NO BID $ 4,104.28 $ 246.26 $ 4,350.54 60 days $ 3.896.20 $ 233.7Cf $ 4.129.9d 60 days I. THELMA L. BALKUS. City Clerk of the City of Baldwin Park, do hereby certify that I opened the foregoing bids in the Council Chambers of City Hall at 2:15 P.M. May 3, 1976. in the presence of Recreation and Parks Director Lucas and Deputy City Clerk Winchester. c^ UjL^ THELMA L. BALKUS, CITY CLERK BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06 peC0698& Adjourned Regular Meeting of the Baldwin Park City Council Special Meeting of the Baldwin Park Planning Commission April 26, 1976 Page 11 that's the way it is obey it, period. law except we are not enforcing it. We have a good Discussion followed regarding actual need for another commission; that possibly Council should only consider appeals; that the City is in worse shape than it used to be a'nd that there will be complaints. Further discussion followed regarding the Irwindale race tracik, new OSHA and noise requirements; that City staff get together with Irwindale and develop the area into a CRA project that where sound tests were run, the volume of noise was not the normal track noise that citizens are subjected to. They are violating codes. Commissioner Moreno enumerated racing schedule times versus the time of day noise from there actually begins and ends. He said you call the City of Irwindale and they laugh at you. He is concerned that someday someone wilt go in there and do something drastic. He has heard people say that one day they are going to blow that place up. It is something that people don't realize, that being constantly exposed to noise psychologically can do a lot of things it doesn't let chickens lay eggs» etc. and science research has proved it psychologically affects people. He thinks that. if nothing more, a lawsuit on Health & Welfare strictly as the cause might get it into court. Further discussion followed regarding the lack of cooperation of the City of Irwindale, their attitude and that readings should run over a month's time. Commissioner Moreno said the Commission had asked the previous City Attorney to look at the time arid hours of operation and come back to us with a report, but they never did. Conmissioner Moreno suggested CITY COUNCIL INSTRUCT THE ACTING CITY ATTORNEY LOOK AT THE CONDITION OF THE USE PERMIT THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE CITY OF IRWINDALE AND TO MONITOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND IF THEY ARE IN VIOLATION GET THEM TO CEASE AND DESIST PERHAPS UNDER THE GUISE OF A LAWSUIT. Councilman Blewett said he didn't disagree with anything said about the track and that it would be desirable to have it taken out; however, if Baldwin Park is going to have a decent community redevelopment project, that property is the most logical area ir? the whole city to turn into an industrial park. It is a beautiful area and needs to be worked out with Irwindale. The CRA would have to be a joint project between the two cities and then there would be no way the track would stay. ACTING CITY ATTORNEY DIRECTED TO CHECK C.U.P. APPROVED BY THE CITY OF IRWINDALE AND TO MONITOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION AND IF THEY ARE IN VIOLATION USE WHATEVER LEGAL MEANS AT HIS DISP^^Tfl^A^fMOI^^^WeyK IT TAKES OR WHATEVER OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE). M/S/C: HAMILTON/AGUILAR. There were no objections. Commissioner Moreno referred to Mr. Wittig's comments on Page 40 of the March 17, 1976 City Council Minutes regarding reversals based on philosophical reasoning." He said he and the Commission would like comment on that subject. continued) A.C.A. DIRECTED TO CHECK C.U.P. APPROVED RY IRWIN- DXCE &WMONITOR HRS. OF OPERATION & IF IN VIOLATION USE LEGAL'MEANS TO ABATE NOISE BIB] 37658-U01 1976-U02 04-U02 26-U02 CC-U02 MIN-U02 LI1-U03 FO9591-U03 FO9725-U03 DO9793-U03 C4-U03 MINUTES1-U03 2/5/2003-U04 ROBIN-U04 REGULAR-U05 SESSION-U05 CITY-U06 COUNCIL-U06