HomeMy WebLinkAbout1977 11 03 CC MIN1977 11 03 CC MIN (Ìì Ë q0 Ljijii^
NOVEMBER 3, 1977
Silent Prayer for James Garrow
Invocation Reverend Abel Rodn'gues,
Primera Igtesia Hispana Church
Excuse Councilman Kitchel
Consent Calendar
Approval of Minutes 10/11 and 10/20/77
Resolution No. 77-89, Claims and Demands, Warrant Nos
8868 8965, Payroll 10/2 10/15/77
Resolution No. 77-90, Claims and Demands, Warrant Nos
25 and 101
Defense of James S. Mocalis Claim Against City
et at by Thetma Duncan
Resolution No. 77-91 Ordering the Canvass of
the Special Municipal Election to be Held
on the 22nd Day of November, 1977, to be
Made by the City Clerk of the City of Baldwin Park
Extension of Time Completion Date Underground
Utility District No. 2
Approve Request for Extension of Time Completion
Date Underground Utility District No. 2
Certify Negative Declaration for Revision of
EDA Grant Project No. 01-07-01573
Resolution No. 77-92 Approving a 1978-79 HCDA
Cooperative Agreement with Los Angeles County
Add Warrant No. 8972 to Resolution No. 77-89
$4000 to Pultiam, Matthews & Associates
Refer Request of Mocatis to Insurance Carrier
Do not Deny It
Concur with Recommendations on Consent Calendar
with Addition of Warrant No. 8972 and
Correction on Request of Mocalis
Public Hearing CP-254 Appeal on Application
for C.U.P. for Liquor Store with Self-Serve
Gas Station 1870 North Puente Avenue
Publications, Postings and Mailings
No Written Protests
Resume
Public Hearing Opened
Oath
Stefan Jaworski, Applicant
Kurt Spigel in Opposition to Appeal CP-254
Dwaine Glass in Opposition to Appeal CP-254
Public Hearing Closed
Concur with Planning Commission and Deny
Appeal CP-254
7:57 P.M. Council Kitchet Arrived
7:57 P.M. Councilman Aguitar Absent
Table Motion
Reconsider Appeal CP-254
Resolution No. 77-93, Denying C.U.P. to Operate
Packaged Liquor Store with Self-Serve Service
Station, 1870 Puente; Case No. CP-254
Applicant: Stefan Jaworski Adopted
Written Communications Betty Hawkins, Co-
Chairman, Neighborhood Watch Association,
Chief Chetlino, Sandra Neat, Tom Carpenter,
Betty Hawkins, Jack White, Jane Lucas,
George Lowe, Gloria Zook, Tom Ktein,
Unidentified Citizen
Setting Compensation for Four Members of
Absentee Ballot Canvassing Board
Fee Paid $12 Each
Report on Request for Funds by Baldwin Park
Welfare Rights Organization
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1977 11 03 CC MIN (Ìì Ë q0 Index November 3, 1977 Page Two
Table Report Until 11/17/77 City Council Meeting
Award of Contract Consultant to Design Planning,
Budgeting and Responsibility Reporting System
Accept Proposal of Consultant Firm Elmer Fox,
Westheimer & Company, $20,000, Authorize
Mayor and City Clerk to Execute the Agreement,
Appropriate $20,000 from Unappropriated Reserve,
Approve Budget Increase for $20,000 for City
Manager's Office
Agreement Between City and Housing Authority
to Provide Staff and Support Services
Authorize Execution of Agreement
Establish Department of Housing Approved
Budget Amendment Department of Housing
Amend Budget by Reducing P.W. Budget by $44,178,
Authorize Purchase of Capital Equipment and
Materials to Perform Work and Set Forth Cost
of Department Personnel
Implementation of Andersen Report re Department
Head Positions Carried Over for Two Weeks
Award of Contract Eleven 1978 4-Door Sedans
for Police Department
Accept Bid of Ctippenger Chevrolet Covina
$58,681.98 Including $6000 Trade-in Allowance
Award of Contract Traffic Signal Modification
at Francisquito and Puente Avenue
Award Contract to Etectrend, Incorporated,
L.A., $43,960
Neighborhood Watch
Send No More Neighborhood Watch Mail at City
Expenditure Until After 11/22/77 Election
Send Bulk Mail
Motion Seconded
Ro11 Call
Motion Carried
Send Neighborhood Watch Mailings First Class
Mail After 11/22/77
Motion Seconded
Neighborhood Watch Financial Report
Motion Carried
Bob Izett re Written Communications
Bertha Regus re Neighborhood Watch, Roc^
Throwing and Playing 1n the Streets
Gloria Zook re Mayor Waldo Vote at
League of California Cities Convent-ion
Michael Dargus re Neighborhood Watch
Cory Tackitt re Public Nuisance and Lighting
on Baldwin Park Boulevard
Sam Wiest re SGV Tribune Newspaper Article
Bi11 Adrians re Neighborhood Watch and
Needs of California Veterans
9:42 P.M. Councilman Aguitar and Acting City
Attorney McEwen Left Council Chambers
Hattie Slater re Neighborhood Watch
9:43 P.M. Deputy Acting City Attorney McEwen
Returned to Council Chambers
9:43.5 P.M. Councilman Aguilar Returned
to Council Chambers
Larry Couch Re Neighborhood Watch
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Jeanne Martens re Neighborhood Watch
Tom Carpenter
Dwaine Glass re Neighborhood Watch
City Treasurer Montenegro re Neighborhood Watch
9:58 P.M. Councilman Aguilar Left the Council
Chambers and Returned at 10 P.M.
Abate Nuisance at 3707 Baldwin Park Blvd. and Check
Lighting on Baldwin Park Blvd.
Deputy Acting City Attorney McEwen re Neighborhood
Watch
Neighborhood Watch
10,06 P.M. Meeting Adjourned
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1977 11 03 CC MIN (Ìì Ë q0 REGULAR MEETING OF THE BALDWIN PARK CITY COUNCIL
CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBERS) 14403 East Pacific Avenue
The City Council of the City of Baldwin Park met in
regular session at the above place at 7:30 p.m.
Mayor Waldo asked that the Council observe silent
prayer in memory of James Garrow, who passed away
October 29, 1977.
An invocation was given by Reverend Abet Rodrigues,
Primera Iglesia Hispana Church.
Councilman Hamilton led the salute to the flag.
Roll Call: Present: COUNCILMEN AGUILAR, BLEWETT,
HAMILTON AND MAYOR WALDO
Absent: COUNCILMAN KITCHEL arrived
at 7:57 P.M.)
Also Present: ACTING ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER
SEXTON, DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY
MC EWEN, ACTING DIRECTOR OF
PUBLIC WORKS SEXTON, DIRECTOR
OF PLANNING KILGOUR, DIRECTOR
OF FINANCE HALLOWAY, CHIEF OF
POLICE CHELLINO, CITY TREASURER
MONTENEGRO AND CITY CLERK BALKUS
EXCUSE COUNCILMAN KITCHEL. M/S/C: AGUILAR/HAMILTON.
There were no objections.
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City Clerk Balkus presented the Consent Calendar:
1. Approval of Minutes of October 11, 1977 and
October 20, 1977
2. Waive? Further Reading and Adopt
RESOLUTION NO. 77-89 ALLOWING CLAIMS
AND DEMANDS AGAINST THE CITY OF BALDWIN PARK
3. Waive Further Reading and Adopt
RESOLUTION NO. 77-90 ALLOWING CLAIMS AND
DEMANDS AGAINST THE CITY OF BALDWIN PARK
4. Deny Request and Refer to Insurance Carrier,
Defense of James S. Mocalis Claim Against
the City et at Thetma S. Duncan
5. Waive Further Reading and Adopt
RESOLUTION NO. 77-91 ORDERING THE CANVASS
OF THE SPECIAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO BE
HELD ON THE 22ND DAY OF NOVEMBER, 1977,
TO BE MADE BY THE CITY CLERK OF THE
CITY OF BALDWIN PARK
6. Approve Request for Extension of Time Completion
Date Underground Utility District No. 2
7. Certify Negative Declaration for Revision of
EDA Grant Project No. 01-07-01573
continued)
NOVEMBER 3, 1977
7:30 P.M.
SILENT PRAYER
FOR JAMES GARROW
INVOCATION
FLAG SALUTE
ROLL CALL
EXCUSE COUNCILMAN
KITCHEL
CONSENT CALENDAR
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
10/11 & 10/20/77
RES. NO. 77-89,
CLAIMS & DEMANDS,
WARRANT NOS. 8868
THRU 8965, PAYROLL
10/2 THRU 10/15/77
RES. NO. 77-90,
CLAIMS & DEMANDS,
WARRANT NOS. 25 & 101
DEFENSE OF JAMES S.
MOCALIS CLAIM
AGAINST CITY ET AL
BY THELMA DUNCAN
RES. NO. 77-91,
ORDERING CANVASS
OF SPEC. MUNI.
ELECTION 11/22/77
MADE BY CITY CLERK
OF B.P.
EXTENSION OF TIME
COMPLETION DATE
UNDERGROUND UTILITY
DISTRICT NO. 2
CERTIFY NEGATIVE
DECLARATION FOR
REVISION OF EDA
GRANT PROJ. NO.
01-07-01573
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8. Waive Further Reading and Adopt
RESOLUTION NO. 77-92 APPROVING A 1978-79
HCDA COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT WITH LOS ANGELES
COUNTY
Finance Director Halloway requested that Warrant No. 8972
be added to Resolution No. 77-89, Claims and Demands,
for $4000 payable to Pulliam, Matthews and Associates,
for completion of presentation of research phase of work
on the downtown impact study.
Deputy Acting City Attorney McEwen stated that
the action on the request of James Mocalis would
be to refer it to the insurance carrier, but not
to deny it.
CONCUR WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON CONSENT CALENDAR
WITH ADDITION OF WARRANT NO. 8972 TO RESOLUTION
NO. 77-89 AND REFERRAL TO THE INSURANCE CARRIER
ON THE REQUEST OF JAMES MOCALIS. M/S/C: HAMILTON/
BLEWETT. Roll Call. There were no objections.
Councilman Kitchet was absent.
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RES. NO. 77-92,
APPROVING A
1978-79 HCDA
COOPERATIVE AGREE-
MENT WITH L.A. CT.
ADD WARRANT NO.
8972 TO RES. NO.
77-89 $4000 TO
PULLIAM, MATTHEWS
& ASSOCIATES
REFER REQUEST OF
MOCALIS TO INS.
CARRIER DO NOT
DENY IT
CONCUR WITH RECOM-
MENDATIONS ON
CONSENT CALENDAR
WITH ADDITION OF
WARRANT NO. 8972
& CORRECTION ON
REQUEST OF MOCALIS
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It was the time and place fixed for a public hearing on
3n Appeal CP-254 An Appeal from the decision of
the Planning Commission on an Application for a
Conditional Use Permit to operate a packaged
liquor store with an incidental self-serve station
in C-1 property at 1870 North Puente Avenue,
Baldwin Park, California. Applicant:
Stefan Jaworski
Publications, postings and mailings had been
accomplished.
There were no written protests.
Director of Planning Kilgour presented a resume
from his staff report. He said the property
was an abandoned Shell service station and that
the applicant, Mr. Jaworski, wished to relocate
his liquor store from the adjacent shopping center
to this location and rehabilitate the structure
into a liquor store. He also wished to relocate
the self-serve gas pump and island around the
side of the building and operate it from inside
the building. He said the Planning Commission
had denied the request for this joint use as
they felt the proposed use would have an adverse
effect upon adjacent properties and that the
mixture of uses was inappropriate. The denial
affected only the service station since a package
liquor store was permitted in a C-1 zone. He
referred to the conditions Staff had imposed
and said the applicant must complete the work
within six months or be subject to revocation.
Mayor Waldo declared the public hearing open.
City Clerk Balkus administered the Oath to those
in the audience desiring to be heard during
the public hearing.
continued)
PUBLIC HEARING
APPEAL CP-254
APPLIC. FOR C.U.P.
FOR LIQUOR STORE
WITH SELF-SERVE
GAS STATION
1870 N. PUENTE AVE.
PUBLICATIONS, POST-
INGS & MAILINGS
NO WRITTEN PROTESTS
RESUME
PUBLIC HEARING
OPENED
OATH
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Stefan Jaworski, 1848 N. Puente Avenue, applicant,
presented the concept of how his proposed use
of the property would look on completion to Council
and the audience. He stated that he was appealing
the decision of the Planning Commission on the basis
that other operations in Baldwin Park were almost
identical, such as the 7-11 Store at Pacific Avenue
and Puente Avenue which sells gas. He said many
of the 7-11 Stores sell hard liquor and it was
possible at any time to obtain a liquor license
providing it was approved by the Atchotic Beverage
Control. He said the primary use of the property
would be to sell liquor but felt it would be a
waste to dig out the gas dispensing equipment
when it could be utilized on a secondary basis.
He detailed his plans for landscaping this
property and adjoining property which he would
use as an additional exit on the northeast side
of the building and explained how the gasoline
would be dispensed prepaid from the inside of the
building. It would be necessary to purchase
liquor inside the store.
Kurt Spigel, 15616 Stanbrook Drive, La Mirada,
said he was the property owner where the tiquour
store was located now and was adjacent to the
gas station. He expressed opposition as he
said it would not be a similar operation to
the 7-11 Store on Pacific Avenue as there
was no service window there and because it
would be a deterrant to his property. He
stated that when Mr. Jaworski moved out,
he planned to put a liquor store there,
making two liquor stores side-by-side and
that the operation of the present liquor
store was a disaster and if the new use
was operated the same way it would be a
deterrant to his adjacent property.
Dwaine Glass, 14345 East Garvey, said that
he had watched Mr. Jaworski"s operation of
his liquor store for several years, including
the type of personnel he employed and wages
paid, and agreed that a liquor store and
service station should not be operated on
the same corner by the same man. He said
he had no objection to operation of a liquor
store there.
Tom Carpenter, 4346 Jerry, did not testify
as he said he considered it unconstitutional
to be required to take the Oath before testifying.
As there was no further testimony in behalf or
in opposition to Appeal CP-254, Mayor Waldo
declared the Public Hearing dosed.
CONCUR WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AND DENY
APPEAL CP-254. M/S: AGUILAR/HAMILTON.
Councilman Hamilton stated that it was not
good business to serve hard liquor at
self-service gas stations. Others had been
denied Conditional Use Permits in the past.
Director of Planning Kitgour said that two
drive-in dairies in town sell beer and wine;
the 7-11 Store at Puente and Pacific had
been approved for a gas station incidental
continued)
November 3, 1977
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STEFAN JAWORSKI,
APPLICANT
KURT SPIGEL IN
OPPOSITION TO
APPEAL CP-254
DWAINE GLASS
IN OPPOSITION
TO APPEAL CP-254
PUBLIC HEARING
CLOSED
CONCUR WITH PLANNING
COMMISSION & DENY
APPEAL CP-254
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November 3, 1977
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to their market and sell beer and wine in their
store; the Super Service gas station had a drive-in
dairy with beer and wine sales. He said there
were only three or four vacant service stations
in town as alternative uses had been found for
the properties. He stated that the 7-TI Store
had requested a Conditional Use Permit for the
gas station drive-in service, but selling beer
and wine in the store had not been discussed.
They had received an ABC license before they
opened, as do all 7-11 Stores.
Councilman Blewett said that this corner needed
some kind of development, but that it should be
either a liquor store or service station but
not both,
Councilman Kitchel arrived at 7:57 P.M.
7:57 P.M. COUNCILMAlv-
KITCHEL ARRIVED
Mayor Waldo asked if the 7-11 Store could
se11 hard liquor when they have a self service
gas station there.
Mr. Kitgour stated that none of the conditions
of the Conditional Use Permit granted to the
7-11 related to atchohotic beverage sates
sold in the store, but only to the gas station.
They were in a C-t zone with no restrictions
on the use of atchoholic beverages.
Councilman Kitchet said that the Planning
Commission objected to a solid liquor store
in addition to setting gas, where the other
stores who self incidentals did not capitalize
only on the liquor market.
At 7:57 P.M. Councilman Aguitar left Council Chambers.
TABLE MOTION UNTIL COUNCILMAN AGUILAR RETURNS TO MEETING
M/S/C: BLEWETT/KITCHEL. There were no objections.
At 7:58 Councilman Aguitar returned.
RECONSIDER APPEAL CP-254. M/S/C: BLEWETT/AGUILAR.
There were no objections.
Deputy Acting City Attorney read by title:
RESOLUTION NO. 77-93, DENYING A
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO OPERATE A
PACKAGED LIQUOR STORE WITH AN INCIDENTAL
SELF-SERVE SERVICE STATION IN C-t ZONED
PROPERTY AT 1870 PUENTE AVENUE
CASE NO. CP-254 APPLICANT: STEFAN JAWORSKI
WAIVE FURTHER READING AND ADOPT RESOLUTION
NO. 77-93. M/S/C: AGUILAR/HAMILTON.
Rol1 Call. Ayes: AGUILAR/HAMILTON/BLEWETT/
WALDO. Councilman Kitchet abstained as he
had not been present to hear testimony.
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City Clerk Balkus read in full a tetter addressed
to Mayor Wat do and the City Council from Betty
Hawkins, Co-Chairman of the Neighborhood Watch
Association. Letter in official files)
Mayor Watdo I believe Mrs. Hawkins is in the
audience, if she would tike to say a word.
7:57 P.M. COUNCIL-
MAN AGUILAR ABSENT
TABLE MOTION
C. AGUILAR RETURNED
RECONSIDER APPEAL
CP-254
RES. NO. 77-93,
DENYING C.U.P. TO
OPERATE PACKAGED
LIQUOR STORE WITH
SELF-SERVE SERVICE
STATION, 1870 PUENT*""^.
CASE NO. CP-254
APPLICANT: JAWORSKI
RES. NO. 77-93
ADOPTED
WRITTEN COMMUN.,
BETTY HAWKINS, CO-
CHAIRMAN, NEIGHBOR-
HOOD WATCH ASSOC.
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Councilman Blewett I think that we can handle
that under I have a lot to say on that.
Councilman Hamilton It is not a public hearing.
Mayor Waldo I know it is not a public hearing,
gentlemen, but I am inviting the lady to step
forward here and say a word.
Councilman Blewett Everyone who wants to come
forward gets to come forward. Mayor?
Mayor Waldo Yeah.
Councilman Blewett Okay, relative to Neighbor-
hood Watch.
Betty Hawkins 3811 Torrey Street. I'd like
to thank the Council and the Police Department.
We do have cooperation with the Police Department
We have had a meeting tonight and we are going to
go on with this Neighborhood Watch. We have a
lot of members that's been to the school that
are here tonight and they are not going to let
it drop, either. I have a cake out there that
I would like to present to the Council and I
would tike everybody to have a piece of it.
It's for our two years of Neighborhood Watch.
Mayor Waldo I'll call on Chief Chetlino.
Maybe he can would like to say a word now.
Chief CheTlino I don't understand one phase
of the letter where there was a lack of support,
because let me assure you, the department has
made a total commitment to its involvement
with the citizens in the prevention of crime,
and the goal was really to reduce crime in
the City of Baldwin Park by creating City
wide awareness in the community. I really
don't know what I can answer
Mayor Waldo I think. Chief, the rub comes
in perhaps in the article that came out in
the San Gabriel Valley Tribune and
Councilman Blewett Which article?
Mayor Waldo Well, two articles. I only
have the last one that came out yesterday
in front of me. Perhaps you could expand
on that a bit. It did upset some of the
committee members. They haven't been able
to talk to you until last week until this
evening and this article came out last night
and it did upset some of the people. Perhaps
you can address yourself to what the intentions
of the Police Department, along with working
with the citizens, are and perhaps that would
give them more to think about.
Chief CheTlino Well, I don't understand
when you say they weren't able to talk to
me. I think I'm available. If I'm not in
my office when they call
continued)
NEIGHBORHOOD
WATCH
BETTY HAWKINS
CHIEF CHELLINO
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Mayor Waldo No, no. That isn't it. There are
so many members of the committee. They couldn't
all get together to talk with you. It wasn't
that you weren't available.
Chief Chellino I'm not sure that I understand
the question. The Department is totally committed
to the involvement with our citizens, the prevention
of crime, and they will make every effort to help
identify any needs and respond to those needs. I
realize that there was a request that I was not
able to honor because it was beyond the resources
I had available at the time. I made every effort
to do everything that I can.
Mayor Waldo Well, I think that probably their
concern was whether it was going to be a police
project or a community project with the police
working in it as a knit body. I think that is
really where their concern was.
Chief Chetlino Well, my concept of the Neighbor-
hood Watch is that it is part of a crime prevention
program that is coordinated through the Police
Department. Of course it has to be total involve-
ment with the police and the community, working
together to achieve this kind of an end.
Mayor Waldo Well, at our meeting last Friday
or Thursday night, I believe it was, you were
present when they voted when the committee
voted Lt. Ron Lowenberg on the committee and
they already had Officer Harper as a committeeman
and it was discussed at that time, along with you
and the City Manager and the other people that
were there on the committee, that it should be
a community effort rather than a police effort
or a citizens committee effort, but a total
community effort program. And you
Chief Cheltino It has to be a community
effort. Again I see my rote as coordinating
that effort.
Mayor Waldo And the policy making body
would come from that community group, along
with the Police Department. Is that correct?
Councilman Blewett That isn't what he
Chief Chetlino As I said that Thursday
night at the meeting, was, you know, that I
am willing to cooperate with anything that
is in the parameters of good law enforcement.
Mayor Waldo Very good.
Councilman Btewett I Mr. Mayor, I have a
couple of questions while we are asking. I
think what the Chief was saying he indicated
first of all, I have to say that it is like
being between I have great sympathy for him
because he feels like right now he is probably
between the atom bomb and the hydrogen bomb
and I have to have sympathy for anyone that is
in that position. But right is right and there
were a couple of things that the Chief and I
spoke about and we objected to. You being
the atom bomb and me being the hydrogen bomb,
Mr. Waldo, for those that didn't understand.
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Anyway, the Chief indicated to me that he called
me, incidentally he initiated the phone call to
me and he indicated that he was very much interested
in the direction that the program was going and he
felt that citizen involvement was important but that
it needed to be coordinated through the Police
Department and that he should be the head coordinator
because he is the man in charge of the law enforce-
ment of the City and that this power, in essence
the guts of the program, has been taken away from him.
And there were further discussion where it was dis-
cussed that the program am I saying anything
Chief Cheltino Yes, when I called you, I thanked
you for appearing at the meeting and I interpreted
that as support for the program.
Councilman Blewett That's right, and you have
my complete support.
Chief Chellino Thank you, and it wasn't that I
had called you to tell you that I was having a
problem with my initial call to you was to thank
you for attending the meeting and I truly am
sincere about the program. I feel that it is a
viable program and I felt that it was appropriate
to thank you for your appearance.
Councilman Blewett That's right, and you certainly
did. And didn't you indicate to me at that time
that you felt that the program was
Chief Chellino In talking about the program, I
was hoping that I was communicating to you, you
know, some of the difficulties involved, you know,
with citizen volunteers.
Councilman Blewett That's right, and how you
felt that it and I've done some further checking
and there isn't a City around that the program isn't
coordinated by the Police Department. There isn't
any city that doesn't do it that way. Interruption
from the audience)
Mayor Waldo Please, please, please. GaveTling)
Councilman Blewett It is a coordinated program
by the Police Department has control of the program
and there is citizen involvement and that is the
way the program is run.
Chief Chellino Without the citizens' involvement,
the program can't be successful.
Councilman Blewett That's right.
Chief Chellino There's no program.
Councilman Blewett We have no program. A
couple of other things that came up I don't
really have any further questions for you, but
I would like to address a couple of things to
Mayor Waldo about it.
Mayor Waldo Thank you. Chief.
Councilman Blewett I've done some research
into the program and a couple of things
really disturb me. One was the fact that
I did the research and I found out about the
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printing that was being done. Would you explain
who is doing the printing?
Mayor Waldo The committee.
Councilman Blewett Who on the committee,
specifically, is doing the printing?
Mayor Waldo Well, just you see him back there.
Councilman Blewett Where is the printing being done?
Mayor Waldo My house.
Councilman Blewett At your house?
Mayor Waldo Yes, I might add that I donated
my wife and I donated the plates, the art work,
the negative, the ink and the press.
Councilman Blewett Okay, that's very good.
I have in my hand, because I happen to believe
I happen to believe in the law and I have in
my hand a copy of a Home Occupation Permit
issued by the City of Baldwin Park to one
Nathine Bond at that time she later became
your wife) to do home occupation,composition,
layout and art work, and Number One, it prohibits
you from operating printing presses at your house.
Mayor Waldo That's true.
Councilman Blewett This permit prohibits that.
Mayor Waldo No, it prohibits a business. I can
have a printing press at my house.
Councilman Blewett No, it does not. This
Mayor Waldo Because it is my property and
1*11 use it for anything I please as long as
I don't make a buck on it.
Councilman Blewett Let me make a point. The
point is that you are in violation of the law.
Mayor Waldo No, I am not.
Councilman Blewett In fact, a man by the
name of Gary Richards was the inspector at the
time and he came to your house I guess you
happened to be there at the time) and he asked
you if there was a printing press and you
assured him that there was no printing press.
Mayor Waldo That's right, there wasn't.
Councilman Blewett Well, my opinion is that
you are supposed to be the Mayor of this
community and you are supposed to be a leader
and you are violating the law and that is wrong.
Mayor Waldo Well, if I were selling the
printing I would be.
Councilman Blewett It definitely says you
cannot operate.
Mayor Waldo I got news for you, friend. I
can put anything in my garage that fits in
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with the Neighborhood Watch, Interruption from
the audience) I most certainly was. Gavelling)
I was there at the meeting I believe that was held
in October of last year. I moved here in June. I
understood the first meeting was held in July.
Now I don't know if it was going on before. At
this point I really think that is immaterial.
But as far as my feelings on this just being one
way to get propaganda across to the people, I
definitely believe that. I was at a meeting at
Mrs. Hawkins's house, sir, during the time the
gang violence committee's were meeting down here
at City Hall. They got me all stirred up into
this who.le situation in our city. You were an
invited guest. You and a lot of other ones,
like Tom Klein he was there. There is a
woman at home that was also there, Mrs. Torres,
who didn't happen to be one of those that just
set back and goes along with the show that
goes on at the meetings. Now she also reminded
me, when the paper started printing this week
of what was happening with our Neighborhood
Watch program, that at that meeting it was
political. You expounded on Judge Martin and
what a bum he was and this and that.
Mayor Waldo I beg your pardon. I never did.
Sandra Neal You did, sir. Yes, you did.
Mayor Waldo No.
Sandra Neat Mrs. Torres remembered it very well also
Mayor Waldo I expounded on judges and their
decisions.
Sandra Neat You mentioned Judge Martin
Mayor Waldo Sorry, but you are wrong.
Sandra Neal And then I started asking questions
who Judge Martin was in this town and I found out
that he is related somehow to one of the three you
guys fired in March of last year.
Mayor Waldo I never expounded on any particular
Sandra Neal You certainly did, sir.
Mayor Waldo Sorry, I did not.
Sandra Neal I really think it is time that there
is a full investigation. Somewhere something is
wrong. We have two sets of rules one for City
Hall and one for
Mayor Waldo Ma'am, I don't see a set of rules.
I can show you we11, I won't show you, but I
know where there are three printing presses in
the City of Baldwin Park.
Sandra Neal They are operating
Mayor Waldo Two of them are used by old people.
They have had them for years. They use them for
their own work.
Sandra Neat Therefore, sir, then I can go
ahead and print all I want about you and pass
it out?
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Mayor Waldo If you have a printing press
Sandra Neal I have a printing press, but I have
been trying to go by the rules of
Unintelligible Both talking at once)
Mayor Waldo without selling your work. That's
what we are talking about a business license
here. If you've got a business in your home
and you are selling your work, you need a business
license. We no longer have a business in our
home.
Sandra Neal I think it is a very profitable
business, sir, for you.
Mayor Waldo Oh, well, you are welcome to
your opinion.
Sandra Neal I don't think it is right. I
think it is wrong that the Neighborhood Watch
has been twisted around like it has. I went
to the first meeting. There you were, sir.
Councilman Aguilar Point of order. Mayor.
Sandra Neal Now one minute you were not the
Chairman and now I read in the paper that you
are the Chairman. Well, who are you?
Mayor Waldo Now just a minute, please. Would
you go back to that meeting that
Councilman Aguilar Point of order on the floor.
We are having personal attacks and I am not
going to stand for that.
Sandra Neal at the De Anza School.
Mayor Waldo Well, the lady is talking about
the meeting. I'd tike to hear about the meeting.
You were there that mght at De Anza School.
Sandra Neal You chairmanned the whole meeting.
Mayor Waldo Yes, I did.
Sandra Neal But didn't you deny it to the Tribune
that you were not the Chairman?
Mayor Waldo No, ma'am, I certainly did not.
Sandra Neal I must have read a different paper.
Mayor Waldo Well, then, maybe you did, because
I am the Chairman and Mrs. Hawkins is the Co-Chairman.
We chair it equally.
Sandra Neal Also, I would like to ask Mr. Chettino
if it is true or not that he stated to the Tribune
that his signature has been forged on a mailer?
Mayor Waldo Ask him.
Sandra Neal Is that true, Mr. Cheltino? I would
like some of these things answered as to just
what is going on.
Councilman Aguilar Point of order. Our Police
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Chief is not going to be put on the spot
for a public demonstration.
Mayor Waldo Well, do you want to answer
that, Mr. Chellino? Just briefly.
Chief CheTlino I would like to explain that,
being that it was in the newspaper. What
happened was that we had a meeting at Howard
Johnson's before that flyer went out. I
don't remember the exact date I think it
was on a Friday night. We had I had prepared
one version. There were several versions and
we stressed the different versions and everyone
made some concessions, so okay, we had agreed
on what was going to be printed and my signature
I did not see that flyer when it went out, simply
because I think it was printed on Saturday or
Sunday and it was passed out before then and
that's how my signature was attached. I don't
yes, I don't like to do that without seeing
what my signature is going to be attached to.
Sandra Neal unintelligible) Is there
something else going on in town?
Mayor Waldo Just a moment, please. Let
the Chief talk. This is not a question and
answer thing. He came up to answer a question
and he is going to do it and if you will just
be quiet, please, and let him talk.
Chief Chellino No, I didn't give my
permission for the signature to go out on
any material other than that flyer and I
would not give my signature, you know,
permission for my signature to go out on
something that I do not see. I would rather
see it before I attach may signature to it.
Sandra Neal You answered my question very
well and that's why I have to stand here
and ask
Mayor Waldo Would you clarify it then.
She says it is a forgery and
Chief Chellino It is not a forgery in essence.
I mean
Councilman Blewett I have to direct something
to him, because I was part of a conversation
with Mr. Chellino relative to that and Mr.
Chellino, you indicated to me that the letter was
changed without your knowledge and that your
signature was affixed to it and you weren't
happy about it.
Chief Chetlino Yes, but they did have my
permission to use my signature that night.
Councilman Blewett Welt, you told me that
you didn't want your signature used.
Chief Chellino No, I take exception, you know,
to my signature being used without me seeing
the final draft.
Councilman Hamilton Mr. Mayor, I would like
to call for a point of order. I don't think
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this is fair to the Chief. This is not a
personnel hearing and I don't think it is
fair to him.
Mayor Waldo Very well, then.
Councilman Hamilton There have been newspaper
articles and I don't think the Chief should be
put on the spot and asked any more questions.
He can answer those questions that he wishes
to answer or we can go into a personnel hearing
and he can answer them to us directly. I don't
think this is a good situation.
Mayor Waldo Thank you. Chief.
Chief Chellino Thank you.
Sandra Neal Well, I would like to thank the
Chief for coming up and he showed, you know,
to us that we do have respect in our Chief.
He will answer the questions when I can't
get any out of anybody else and I respect
the man for coming up here and giving me
an answer. Too many questions in this
town have went unanswered for too long.
I really think Mr. Waldo or Mayor Waldo)
or anyone connected with the recall or the
proponents should never attach their name
to the Neighborhood Watch Committee. It
looked like a pre-setup situation and you
tost a lot of people that way. You might
have gained a few votes but you tost a
few people. Thank you.
Mayor Waldo Thank you, ma'am.
Tom Carpenter 4346 Jerry. The only thing
I can make out of this whole Neighborhood
Watch program is that it is a political
ploy for Mr. Waldo. I have this Herald-Press
and the thing has twelve or thirteen mentions
of the Mayor in it, extolling his tremendous
virtues and saying it isn't political. All
the time it is political. I haven't gotten
involved in it but it just smells to the
high heaven. When you say that when you
print these things that are for your good
that it isn't benefitting anyone when
anyone goes out on a campaign, does anything,
contributes anything, they must report it.
And when you say it doesn't cost anything,
it does cost something and you should report
that, I believe, as a political expense. It
really should be reported as that, because
this whole thing has turned into nothing but
one big political gesture and believe me, it
will a11 be dropped just as soon as the voting
is over. All these things happen like this.
You've done it time and again, Mr. Mayor
time and again. I've seen it happen for the
senior citizens. I could just go on counting
a11 the things the wonderful things you were
going to do and nothing ever came out of it
after the votes. But this thing is strictly
for your benefit and if you are running
printing presses in your garage for your
benefit, you are engaging in a business,
regardless of what you say and you are going
to have to, I believe, report it as a political
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expense. I believe you should and I am going to
watch your expense sheets to see that you do.
Mayor Waldo Thank you.
Betty Hawkins I would like to answer Sandra Neat's
question to the Council. On the first month, 31st
day in 77, our neighborhood and the only Neighbor-
hood Watch going) appointed Emmit Waldo our Chairman.
A letter was given to Mr. Sexton. On the second, the
third and 77," I presented a letter to this Council,
asking for their help and naming Emmit Waldo as
Chairman. The motion was carried through and it was
seconded by Mr. Blewett. We had been going for about
a year. On Thursday, the tenth, the twentieth and 77
Sandra Neat attended our first meeting and at that
time she brought a woman with her who was having
problems with her daughter and somebody had been
giving her glue to sniff and things, and she asked
a question about the Judge letting these people go
and it was answered.
Mayor Waldo Thank you. Since it is open on the
Neighborhood Watch, I invite anybody to talk.
Jack White, 1753 Hatinor My name is Jack White
and I am a resident of Baldwin Park. I admire Mrs.
Hawkins and her staff for the trouble they have
gone to to establish the Neighborhood Watch. I
think there is probably a misconception of what
it is all about. I know a good deal about this
subject and it is essential that a formal crime
prevention program be under the control of profess-
ional law enforcement officers. It is essential
because, if you will recall recently in the
headlines, the Klu Klux Klan decided to patrol
the border and engage in that sort of enforcement.
Throughout history, there have been people that
formed vigilante committees and tried to take
things into their own hands. In the State of
California, we have got a very formal criminal
justice system and it passes down and delegates
the authority to enforce the law and to prevent
crime to basically the police officers. So it
is a very formal system. Private persons engaging
in law enforcement or in any activities in that
vein without being trained and developed by pro-
fessional police officers place themselves in
extreme danger in several areas. They also run
the risk of making some very serious mistakes.
I would suggest to you that the committee that
rules had got to be basically this government
and basically the Police Department. It can't
be a private committee. The addition of police
officers on the committee only aggravates the
problem. It makes it quasi-City accepted. It
should be coordinated absolutely by the Chief
of Police under his direction. Now if the
committee needs the police help and is not
getting it, that direction should come from
the Council to the Chief or/and the Staff
accompanying that request to make it work.
It shouldn't be
Mayor Waldo That's what has happened.
Jack White It shoutd't be well, not what's
happened if a citizens committee runs the Watch.
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Mayor Waldo That's exactly what's happened.
Jack White If the citizen's committee decided
to vote and stop all cars coming into Baldwin Park,
for example, the police would not have any power
to overrule that, with the citizens committee in
charge of the power. Interruption from audience)
No, I know a lot more about it than you do, sir.
Mayor Waldo Well, go on.
Jack White No, but the governing board of the
Neighborhood Watch and it's laid out in several
documents and been developed many, many years ago
when I was on the other Police Department and it
is a very formal system. It is and must be operated
by the professional police officers.
Mayor Waldo Are you saying then, sir, that the
citizens are not capable of cooperating with the
police in a project that would protect their
homes and inform the police if a burglary is
in progress? Are they not capable of setting
on a committee to steer Neighborhood Watch
meetings and are they not capable of doing
the things that involve citizens in government?
Have we reached the point where it either has
to be run by the police or a big brother?
Is it to the point where we are a police state
or can citizens still become involved in a
community project along with the Police Department?
Jack White Become involved in several ways under
the direction of the professional law enforcement
officers.
Mayor Waldo Right.
Jack White I am saying that any security system
basically any private security system, in general,
requires a state license. I'm saying that a private
citizen's group that are banded together to form
some sort of law enforcement function
Mayor Waldo I don't believe that belongs
under this committee at all.
Jack White I just suggest to you that it is a
security committee. Basically, throughout the
state it is a standard system and this system is
invariably under the direction of the Police Department
Mayor Waldo I disagree with you. We've checked
other cities.
Councilman Aguilar Mr. White, are you going to
come up in Oral Communication, sir? I have some
questions I want to ask you about the School Board.
Jack White Please do,
Councilman Aguilar Okay, one
Mayor Waldo Wait a minute.
Jack White Ask the School Board questions at the
School Board meetings,
Councilman Aguilar No, I would not get my answer
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Mayor Waldo We are talking about Neighborhood Watch
now. Thank you, sir.
Jack White Thank you.
Jane Lucas I'm Jane Lucas and I'm the Oracle of the
Royal Neighbors and I want to thank the Neighborhood
Watch for the night of my bazaar of October the 18th,
and I also want to thank the Police Department because
there was a little lady that had come to our bazaar
and dinner, which we have a fund raiser for a scholar-
ship for some child. As this little lady left the
building to go to the bus you know where the bowling
alley's at and by the Odd Fellow's Hall that dark
alley there. Some kid came out. This lady must have
been at least 65 or 68 years old and the kid grabbed
her purse and tried to pull it off her arm and it
just happened that one of the neighbors from inside
ran out and protected her from getting beaten and
her purse taken away. And also I asked the police
called the police and told them what happened and
asked them if they would stay there with us until
we got cleared up and the money checked out and got
out of there, because we didn't want our money taken
away. That's all I have to say. I think it is a
wonderful program and I sure hope and pray to the
good Lord that it still continues.
Mayor Waldo Thank you, ma'am.
George Lowe My name is George Lowe and I am a
citizen of Baldwin Park. I live at 4520 Phelan
Avenue. I read something in the paper that kind
of discouraged me. It came out in the San Gabriel
Valley Tribune on Friday, October 28, 1977. This
does have to do with Neighborhood Watch. I was
accused of being a crony; I was accused of being
on the committee with the Neighborhood Watch of
which I have never made a meeting but which I intend
to). Other people were accused but I would tike
to read this because I think it is important. It
is important to me as a citizen trying my best to
help the City of Baldwin Park. Not one man. Not
one tady. All. It says, and I quote Mrs. Zook
said she was also concerned that Waldo's cronies
were the ones serving on the Advisory Conmittee.
Waldo's wife, Nathine, the secretary, his recall
campaign manger, George Lowe, is on the committee,
as are his Commission appointees, Sam Wiest and A1
Stockton, Mrs. Zook said." Before you I say I don't
appreciate this and I take exception to it. Thank you.
Mayor Waldo Thank you, sir.
Gloria Zook 4817 North La Rica, and I did make a
statement about cronies. I don't know who is a
bigger crony than Mr. Lowe. I'd tike to know how
many dinners he had in San Francisco at the League
meeting on the City. I know, from what I can under-
stand from a person who was invited, he was at a
private party in Mr. Sexton's not room but suite.
I did not make the statement that Mr. Lowe, Chairman,
was on the committee.
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GEORGE LOWE
GLORIA ZOOK
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As far as Mr. Lowe being a crony, I said it.
He is.
Mayor Waldo Are you saying that the Tribune
wrote that?
Gloria Zook I said I did not make that statement,
Mayor Waldo She quotes you.
Gloria Zook So she quotes me. Loether quotes
you. Does he always quote you directly?
Mayor Waldo Well, he didn't quote me in the
last one, I can fell you.
Gloria Zook Well, it sure sounded like it, honey.
So
Mayor Waldo It didn't say a quote, did it?
Gloria Zook Okay, if Judy possibly said it
and made a mistake, so what?
Mayor Waldo Did you make a mistake, Judy?
Gloria Zook I don't think Judy has to answer.
Councilman Blewett Are we under oath?
Gloria Zook But as far as George Lowe being
a crony, hey, he is.
Mayor Waldo Do you know what the definition
of a crony is? It is a good friend.
Tom Klein My name is Tom Klein, 12800 Salisbury,
and earlier I heard a lot of talk about bombs.
The only thing I've heard is a lot of bombastic
garbage about Neighborhood Watch for the purposes
of possibly trying to keep the people from having
Neighborhood Watch. Now if I were moving from
Baldwin Park, maybe I wouldn't worry about it,
either, but to let Mr. White know what Neighbor-
hood Watch is about on October 26 it was in
the San Gabriel Valley Tribune, Neighbor Tip
Nabs Burglary Suspect." It goes on to explain.
A neighbor picks up the phone and calls the
police and they grab the guy. October the 29th,
Resident's Call Nets Suspect." Same deal,
neighbors see the people that shouldn't be
there. This is what it is all about. We
don't need a big professional deal. Number
one, Mr. White, there are hundreds of hours
go into this program and God only knows, you
can't take professional policemen and have
them addressing letters, but this is a program
that takes a lot of citizen input and has
taken hundreds of hours. I know I myself
have sat there for hours and I'm not on the
Committee, but I'm a neighbor and I want my
neighbors to be safe. There is no question
that it has to be a neighborhood deal with
the people and the police. And if the people
aren't involved in it and it is a11 professional
police. God only knows we are not Klu Kluxers.
I don't know where you live, Mr. White. I
know you say Baldwin Park. You must have come
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from another end of town. But I just don't
understand all this garbage and that's my
opinion. Neighborhood Watch is too valuable,
Because it happens to be good, Mr. Blewett
says it has to be political because it looks
good for the Mayor. Well, my golly, I think
our Mayor should do good things for this City.
And if you did something good, Mr. Blewett,
I would say the same thing, but gee, why
don't you get in and attend these meetings
and help the people? We would be glad to
have you down here addressing some of these
tetters that have to go out to the folks.
Thank you very much.
Councilman Blewett Mayor, a couple of things.
You know, my objection to Neighborhood Watch
it goes pretty deep. I think that I don't
have any objection to the program. I object
to the way I honestly feel that you have
prostituted it.
Mayor Waldo How have I prostituted it?
Councilman Blewett I think that you I know
you as well as I know any human being that lives.
Mayor Waldo I doubt that. I'd like to know
how I've prostituted it, because my name has
never been on a flyer that has gone out.
Councilman Blewett No, you set your wife's
name on it.
Councilman Blewett and Councilman Aguilar
both talking at once)
Mayor Waldo Now wait a moment. I'm answer-
ing his question. Number two, when I get up
to open the meetings, I never address myself
as Mayor. It is Emmit Waldo.
Councilman Blewett Chairman.
Mayor Waldo Chairman, because I am a Chairman.
Okay, number three
Councilman Blewett and Mayor Waldo both talking
at once)
Mayor Waldo No political questions are ever
answered at one of those meetings and none
have been asked. You know. You were there.
Not once was anything political injected into
that and you know it. Mr. Hamilton was at one
and he knows it. Mr. Aguilar was at one and
he knows it. Now what have I done to prostitute
it?
Councilman Blewett Okay, just the very fact
that a man such as you could be the leader of
the program.
Mayor Waldo Oh, that's what you object to
because I'm one of the leaders. Both talking
at once)
Councilman Blewett As a matter of fact excuse
me, I have the microphone. You can have it later,
continued)
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Mayor Waldo Go ahead, Mr. Blewett.
Councilman Blewett Mr. Mayor, as I remember it
and these people were at the Personnel Hearings,
but as I remember it, you were the prime suspect
in the burglary of McDanieTs Cleaners. You,
Mr, Mayor. That came out at the hearing. You
were a crime suspect of this Police Department.
Mayor Waldo I was not.
Councilman Blewett That is a matter of record
at the Personnel Hearings and you know it. That
was never said at the Personnel Hearings. It
was printed in the newspaper and it was a matter
of record at the Hearings and you know it.
Citizen who did not identify himself I'm just
here to say one thing, Mr. Blewett. I'd like
to say one thing, Mr. Blewett. You are supposed
to be a religious man, but you are so damned
full of hatred that you can twist anything in
your favor and as far as I'm concerned, man,
you don't deserve to have the leadership that
you've got and talking for people when you
can't talk anything except hatred. And if
you can't get it out of your soul, man, you
are going to bust hell wide open and you
know it.
Councilman Aguilar Mayor
Councilman Hamilton Mr. Mayor, could I
Mayor Waldo We will take one more and then
we will close this down, please.
Councilman Hamilton Okay, that's it.
Mayor Waldo I'm sorry, ma'am. The gentleman
got up first and I said we'd take one more.
I'm sorry. We said that.
Gentlemen, my name is Alberto
and I am a resident of Baldwin Park. I just
would like to say a few words regarding the
Neighborhood Watch. Have you had time to
read this?
Councilman Blewett Yes, I have.
Alberto Have you really completed it?
Councilman Blewett Completely.
Alberto What is the meaning of the first
part of this? Do you have a copy of this with
you, sir?
Councilman Blewett No, I don't. Would you
like me to go get one?
Alberto Would you read me the first paragraph?
Councilman Blewett Are we going to have a reading
test? reads) Your home is in danger. So are
your family and all their possessions. Over one
thousand burglaries have occurred this year in
Baldwin Park. My home, however, is safer than yours
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Alberto Okay, let me tell you this. Over
two weeks ago a friend of mine he has a 16 year
old daughter) she was raped by two guys. Okay,
his daughter would have been saved but he was
too late, because by the time the Police Department
was this other person from the neighborhood was
trying to call the police he was too late. That's
why unintelligible on record) so if somebody
from the Neighborhood Watch called the Police
Department and they saved your daughter from being
raped, is that being politically motivated unintell-
igible on record) to call the Police Department to
save your daughter from being raped? Would you
call that political action? Thank you. That's
a11 I have.
Mayor Waldo Thank you. Okay, very well, we'11
move on to
Councilman Aguilar Mayor, may I have the floor?
One, Mr. Blewett, you have the nerve to attack
Mayor Waldo. Unintelligible on record) say that
you were picked up for operating a business without
a license.
Councilman Hamilton Now we're getting into politics.
Councilman Aguilar Unintelligible with all talking
at once) You were prosecuted.
Councilman Blewett I was not.
Councilman Aguilar You were guilty.' You didn't
have the guts to a you took a no contest plea.
Councilman Blewett For what? For what crime?
Councilman Aguilar Building operating a business
without a license.
Mayor Waldo Without a contractor's license.
Councilman Aguilar You went in front of a judge.
You didn't even have the guts to speak up-all you
did
Councilman Blewett I didn't go in front of a judge.
Councilman Aguilar It's in the record.
Councilman Blewett I never appeared in court.
Councilman Aguilar You didn't have the guts to
get up there and plead guilty nor not guilty. You
took a no contest plea the coward's way out.
You've always been a coward.
Councilman Blewett At least I've never unintelligible
with all talking at once)
Mayor Waldo Let's get on with it all talking at once)
Councilman Hamilton Let's have a point of order here.
We're getting into a donneybrook and we're not accomplish-
ing anythings. All talking at once) I have some comments
that I would like to make regarding this Neighborhood
Watch. Tonight was the first time I heard that the
Neighborhood Watch was going to be discontinued or
was going to be killed and this disturbs me. I think
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it's a real good program. I don't think there
is any way that we should do anything to hinder
this program. I think a11 citizens forget
the donneybrook on politics that seems what
this whole meeting has turned out to be. We
should forget that and work together and work
for the Neighborhood Watch. But I do think
I have talked to the Chief. I came to his
office and I asked him some questions about
this. There is no question in my mind and
what Mr. White just stated. For a good,
successful, safe, legal type procedure, it
must be coordinated through the Police Depart;-'
ment. That's the way it's handled in other
cities and other states, and you keep the
Neighborhood Watch people keep all the
citizens a11 of them in it. We don't want
any of them to quit. I think it is a good
program,,but I don't want it to turn political
and something like this come up and kill it.
And this is what can happen if we don't get
away from this petty politic arguments.
This to me is bad. Now I attended a meeting
and Waldo chaired the meeting and there was
no politics mentioned. I thought the meeting
was conducted fine. His name wasn't mentioned
at all. It was strictly as though he was not
the Mayor, Now I believe in truth and I
believe in giving everybody the credit where
they deserve it. But I do think it should
be coordinated as it has been recommended
by our Chief and which was stated by Mr.
White, who has been in law enforcement
many years, that this is the way we should
look at it. Forget this petty stuff. There
is a question whether Mayor Waldo is using
it as political gain. I never heard him
he said he was appointed Chairman about a
year ago, according to the newspaper. I
never heard of a meeting that he chaired
until after the recall. Now that seems
to me that 1t is political, but nevertheless,
he didn't say anything political at that
meeting, and I don't want anyhing to kill
this Neighborhood Watch, because I think
it's good. And if we don't watch out for
each other and get m here and assist the
police, crime is going to get worse. So
I don't condemn anyone working on it. I
think it is great and we a11 should work
together. That's all I have to say.
Thank you.
Councilman Aguilar Mayor, six years ago
when Neighborhood Watch first started, it
was run by the Police Depart and it died.
Two years ago. when the citizens took it
over, it was operated by the citizens of
Baldwin Park and that's where it is right now.
Maybe in other cities the Police Department
can run it, but when it's in Baldwin Park,
I'm sure the citizens have to run it because
Councilman Hamilton No, they don't. They
coordinate it.
Mayor Waldo Well, it has to be
Councilman Hamilton coordinated through the
law enforcement agency.
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Mayor Waldo It has to be an effort by everybody.
Councilman Aguilar By the whole department. Right.
Mayor Waldo We've said that. Let's knock it off now
and get on to the next
Councilman Btewett Let's knock it off, but I'd like to ask
one question,
Mayor Waldo Let's get on to the next item of business.
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City Clerk Balkus requested that the Council
set the compensation for members of the
Absentee Ballot Canvassing Board at $12.00
each. She said they spend about four hours
handling the election returns.
COUNCILMAN BLEWETT MOVED THAT THE FEE PAID
EACH MEMBER OF THE CANVASSING BOARD BE $12.00.
COUNCILMAN HAMILTON SECONDED. There were
no objections,
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had been established to meet with the
Baldwin Park Welfare Rights Organization
relative to their request for funds.
He stated that Director of Recreation
and Parks Department Lucas headed up
the task force and could make the report.
TABLE REPORT UNTIL NOVEMBER 17, 1977
COUNCIL MEETING. M/S/C: AGUILAR/BLEWETT.
There were no objections.
Councilman Aguitar said that James Gregg
was in Sacramento.
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when the Andersen Report was adopted,
one of the items recommended was to
provide the Council with a Program/
Zero Based Budgeting process for next
year's budgeting. He said the lowest
acceptable bidder for the award of
contract on a consultant to design a
planning, budgeting and responsibility
reporting system was the consultant
firm of Elmer Fox, Westheimer & Co.
for $20,000.
continued)
November 3, 1977
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SETTING COMPENSATION
FOR FOUR MEMBERS OF
ABSENTEE BALLOT
CANVASSING BOARD
FEE PAID $12 EA.
REPORT ON REQUEST
FOR FUNDS BY
BALDWIN PARK
WELFARE RIGHTS
ORGANIZATION
TABLE REPORT UNTIL
11/17/77 CITY
COUNCIL MEETING
AWARD OF CONTRACT
CONSULTANT TO
DESIGN PLANNING,
BUDGETING &
RESPONSIBILITY
REPORTING SYSTEM
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ACCEPT PROPOSAL OF CONSULTANT FIRM OF ELMER FOX,
WESTHEIMER & CO. FOR $20,000, AUTHORIZE MAYOR
AND CITY CLERK TO EXECUTE THE AGREEMENT, APPROPRIATE
$20,000 FROM UNAPPROPRIATED RESERVE, APPROVE BUDGET
INCREASE FOR $20,000 FOR CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE.
M/S/C: AGUILAR/KITCHEL. There were no objections.
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Authority had been created at the last Council
Meeting and Commissioners had been appointed
for that Authority. It was necessary to have
a contract with them so that they can reimburse
the City for staff and support services. He
stated that further steps must be taken to
fulfill the agreement. The Department of Housing
must be created, staffed and funded. If the
Agreement was approved with the Housing Authority,
they will reimburse the City through its variety
of revenue sources without any cost to the
General Fund.
AUTHORIZE EXECUTION OF AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY
AND THE HOUSING AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE STAFF AND
SUPPORT SERVICES. M/S/C: AGUILAR/HAMILTON.
There were no objections,
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Acting City Manager Sexton said that a Department
of Housing must be established in order to
fulfill the Agreement between the City and the
Housing Authority. The Department of Housing
wilt provide administrative support to the
Housing Authority. He referred to the staff
report from the Building Superintendent relative
to the creation and funding of the department.
He said the funding under this arrangement wilt
amount to about $130,000 of which about $126,000
will be spent to fund the operation of this
department. All of the monies were from sources
other than the General Fund. The Department
would initially be staffed by five people.
ESTABLISH A DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING. M/S/C:
HAMILTON/AGUILAR. There were no objections.
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Acting City Manager Sexton said a budget
amendment was necessary for the establish-
ment of the Department of Housing. Expend-
itures in the Public Works Department would
be reduced by $44,178 by transferring three
positions to the Department of Housing, it was
necessary to authorize purchase of capital
equipment, undertake the expenditures of materials
necessary to perform the work and set forth
staffing and salary cost of the department
personnel. The Department of Housing would
then have budgetary authority to incur costs
and initially obtain 100 units of housing
through the HUD contract.
continued)
ACCEPT PROPOSAL OF
CONSULTANT FIRM
ELMER FOX, WESTHEIMER
& CO., $20,000, AUTH.
MAYOR & CITY CLERK TO
EXECUTE AGREEMENT,
APPROPRIATE $20,000
FROM UNAPPROPRIATED
RESERVE & APPROVE
BUDGET INCREASE OF
$20,000 TO CITY
MANAGER'S OFFICE
AGREEMENT BETWEEN
CITY & HOUSING
AUTHORITY TO PROVIDE
STAFF & SUPPORT
SERVICES
AUTHORIZE EXECUTION
OF AGREEMENT
ESTABLISH DEPT. OF
HOUSING
APPROVED
BUDGET AMENDMENT
DEPT. OF HOUSING
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AMEND BUDGET BY REDUCING EXPENDITURES IN THE
PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT BY $44,178 BY TRANSFERRING
THREE POSITIONS TO THE DEPARTMENT OF HOUSING,
AUTHORIZE PURCHASE OF CAPITAL EQUIPMENT, UNDERTAKE
THE EXPENDITURES OF MATERIALS NECESSARY TO PERFORM
WORK AND SET FORTH STAFFING AND SALARY COST OF
DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL. M/S/C: AGUILAR/HAMILTON.
Roll Call. There were no objections.
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ation of the Andersen Report relating to changes
in the designation of Department Heads. He said
an Ordinance must be adopted amending sections
of the City Municipal Code and a Resolution adopted
amending the Basic Salary Plan.
Councilman Blewett requested that this item be
held over for at least two weeks so that he might
study the Andersen Report further relative to the
position changes. He stated that he had requested
for the implementation of a clear cut policy on
the expenditure of City funds by City officials,
as this change had also been recommended by the
Andersen Report, but that nothing had been done.
Councilman Aguilar stated that he wanted the
Public Information Officer appointed by the
City Council and serving at the pleasure of the
City Council and that this change could be made
during the two weeks.
Council concurred that these items should be
held over for another two weeks for study.
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Chief of Police Chettino stated that five agencies
had bid on award of contract for eleven 1978
four-door sedans for the Police Department.
He said it was not the lowest bid but was the
best dollar value.
ACCEPT BID OF CLIPPENGER CHEVROLET COVINA
FOR ELEVEN 1978 FOUR-DOOR SEDANS AT A TOTAL COST
OF $58,681.98 INCLUDING $6000 TRADE-IN ALLOWANCE.
M/S/C: HAMILTON/AGUILAR. Ro11 Call. There
were no objections.
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Director of Public Works Sexton referred to
the award of contract for Traffic Signal
Modification at Francisquito and Puente Avenue,
with three bids received. This was part of
the capital improvement program and was a
joint project with the City putting up 17%
matching money. He said this was a major
modification to the most heavily travelled,
highest accident intersection in the City.
AWARD CONTRACT TO LOWEST BIDDER, ELECTREND,
INC., LOS ANGELES, $43,960 AND AUTHORIZE
SIGNATURE OF THE MAYOR AND CITY CLERK.
M/S/C: HAMILTON/AGUILAR. Ro11 Call.
There were no objections.
November 3, 1977
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AMEND BUDGET BY RE-
DUCING P.W. BUDGET
BY $44,178, AUTH.
PURCHASE OF CAPITAL
EQUIPMENT & MATERIALS
TO PERFORM WORK &
SET FORTH COST OF
DEPT. PERSONNEL
IMPLEMENTATION OF
ANDERSEN REPORT
RE DEPT. HEAD
POSITIONS
CARRIED OVER FOR
TWO WEEKS
AWARD OF CONTRACT
ELEVEN 1978 4-DR.
SEDANS FOR P.D.
ACCEPT BID OF
CLIPPENGER CHEVROLET
COVINA $58,681.98
INCLUDING $6000
TRADE-IN ALLOWANCE
AWARD OF CONTRACT
TRAFFIC SIGNAL
MODIFICATION AT
FRANCISQUITO &
PUENTE AVE.
AWARD CONTRACT TO
ELECTREND, INC.,
L.A., $43,960
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Councilman Hamilton Mr. Mayor, I guess under
new business is the proper place to bring this up
I am very concerned about the success of the
Neighborhood Watch and I would have to ask the
attorney, I think, for legal advice on this.
Now it seems to be that there is a lot of dissension
started. As I stated before, I think it is a shame
and I do think that there should be some changes
made and try for everyone to be in agreement with
it.
Mayor Waldo I thought all the dissension was
ironed out tonight.
Councilman Hamilton Well, no, it is not. That
is why I would like to see it brought under the
coordination of the Police Department. Now this
would be the people are working on this and
I intend to work on it in my neighborhood and
would work on it under the direction of the law
enforcement agency. In other words, we will
assist the Police Department, not the Police
Department assisting us. We will see that
crimes like they have been doing like they
have been setting up I have nothing wrony
with this but I think it should alt be coord-
inated so that it is legal, because after all, they
are the ones that enforce the law and they are
qualified.
Mayor Waldo Mr, Hamilton, you have just described
what we already have,
Councilman Hamilton No, and I would like to see
the Chairmanship taken out of your hands, Mr. Mayor,
and put into somebody etse's. Now, no disrespect
to you for what you've done in the time you've put
in, but I'd like to get it out of politics.
Mayor Waldo You don't have the authority to do
that. The Committee did that and I'11 say right
here, right now, to anyone in this room, raise
your hands, please, if you want me to resign and
I'll do it this second.
Councilman Hamilton I'm not asking that
Mayor Waldo Okay.
Councilman Hamilton That wasn't the question I
asked.
Mayor Waldo Well, I just, you know you're
saying it's because I*m there. I am one of the
Chairman of that and unless that Committee asks
me to resign, I will not resign.
Councilman Hamilton Alright, but I want to ask
the attorney a question. Does this Council have
the authority or the legal right to put this
Neighborhood Watch under the supervision of the
Police Department?
Deputy Acting City Attorney McEwen To the
extent that the City Council is authorizing
the expenditure of public funds, it can
certainly dictate any terms that it wishes.
The problem again is a matter of policy decision
on behalf of the Council and what effect that
might have upon the citizen participation in
the Neighborhood Watch. If Council determines
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that it is going to work better under Police
guidance than it is under a kind of a mutual
working relationship, then that is the Council's
prerogative. They can withdraw their public
support.
Councilman Hamilton Well, we want combined
mutual participation.
Mayor Waldo That's what you have.
Councilman Hamilton we want that, but we
would like for alt these meetings and all of
this to be coordinated through the Police
Department and let them set up the rules and
all the procedures that we are supposed to use,
because I have no experience in law enforcement
and I would like for the Police Department to
come up with a directive of what for these
committees to follow. Because, after all,
they know more about it than we do.
Mayor Waldo Maybe I can do something to
clarify some of your fears, Mr. Hamilton.
We had a meeting with Police Chief and the
committee and Lt. Lowenberg and it was agreed
that the two officers would be a part of the
committee and the committee would work together
with the Police Department as a community effort.
Now, decisions would be made with that body and
they all agreed that the Police Department would
give input as to proper procedure. AH decisions
would be made with that body and Chief Chettino
acknowledged that Lt. Lowenberg could speak for
himself and for the Chief and for the Police
Department and nothing would be done nothing
would be done that wouldn't be right and kosher
and proper.
Councilman Hamilton Legal?
Mayor Waldo Legal. And that's the way it
stands today. It's a community operation.
It is not a police operation or a committee
operation. It is a community operation.
Okay, does that does that
Councilman Hamilton Well, that helps some because
my fears was that with all the donneybrooks
going on and that, that politics has got mixed
up with it and this could fall on its face and
I don't want that to happen.
Mayor Waldo and Councilman Hamilton both talking
at once)
Councilman Hamilton Well, there have been
many people talk here tonight and it was
strictly political and I would like to see
that this thing not fall on its face. I
would like to see
Mayor Waldo We are trying very hard to
Mayor Waldo and Councilman Hamilton both
talking at once)
Mayor Waldo to keep it out of politics.
Councilman Hamilton our Police Department
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coordinate it and handle it and we follow his
instructions.
Councilman Blewett That's fine.
Councilman Hamilton That is what I would like
to do with that and if we could put that in the
form of a motion that this Council have it as
a rule, I would do so.
Councilman Blewett Do it.
Mayor Waldo What was your motion, please?
Councilman Hamilton THAT THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH
BE COORDINATED THROUGH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
THAT WE FOLLOW HIS INSTRUCTIONS AND PROCEDURES
THAT HE SETS DOWN FOR US. I'll make that in the
form of a motion.
Mayor pro tern Kitchel Wait a minute. I'd like
to speak to that motion. Councilman Hamilton,
you know granted that we have kind of got an
extenuating circumstance here where the organiza-
tion did take the initiative as far back as
February that I know of that it was recorded on
the Minutes. We expressed at that time that we
would support the effort. Then when they came
back to us in August we authorized the Staff
to lend any assistance necessary to get the
program off the ground and to get it going
full swing. I think the basic problem that
exists at this point is resolving the question
of who is the policy maker or the policy
implementer. I don't doubt for one minute
that the individuals out there are sincerely
concerned about eradicating crime problems
in Baldwin Park through reporting and through
crime prevention and I really think that at
this point in time, you know we have heard
enough scuttlebutt here tonight to possibly
turn off a lot of people who would get even
more involved with Neighborhood Watch and
my God, I don't want to see that happen because
Councilman Hamilton I don't, either.
Councilman Kitchel I've been to one meeting
and I've got to admit Rick Harper was there
and through his expertise I think I know a
little bit more in terms of what is involved
in life preserving techniques. So it is
not simply crime prevention. There were
other aspects that were brought up and the
community can greatly benefit from it. But
what I would like to see is the organization
continue to work closely with the Chief and
I don't think at this point that we should
be» you know, the omniscient City Council
that steps in and stomps on the individuals
and says we are going to completely take
away your policy making powers." I think
what we need to do, is that we need to
encourage them to continue to work with
the Police Department so that this is a
harmonious relationship that can benefit
the entire community. And I couldn't go
for a vote to express that the Police Depart-
ment or that the City Council is going to have
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the final say. I think that what we need to
do is to give them a chance to put their
feelers out and watch this thing develop.
We've got the Chief who will continue to
report back to us and I would venture to
say that if it gets to the point where it
looks like it could get out of hand or
that the Police Department could not
conform with the policies established
by that committee, we could take action
at that time. But I don't think it is
going to get that far, I really don't.
Councilman Hamilton Well, I hope not
but the only thing is I wanted the police
setting in there. They would stilt be
policy making in an advisory capacity.
I would want that. As many as they can
have, because the way I look at this thing,
we must assist our Police Department.
Me assist them. They will make the arrests.
They will do this and we want to assist
them.
Mayor Waldo That's what we have now.
Councilman Hamilton And I would like
to see all citizens in Baldwin Park
because if we don't you know what has
happened to crime in the past ten years
and if we don't get in there and have
some guts to stand up and assist our
policemen. If you see a crime you say
yes, I seen him do it." Now so many
people see a crime and they are afraid
of reprisals and now, if they are banded
together you've got all these people
together and you see a crime, I think
you will be safe in not being afraid
of reprisal because you've got the
people with you and I think the guy
would be afraid. That's the only thing
I'm interested in was for this program
to go.
Mayor Waldo That's what we already have.
Mayor pro tern Kitchel You know, I think
what it boils down to what we need to
do is to reaffirm tonight support for the
Neighborhood Watch program and also for
the support that we gave to our Police
Department because I believe that the
two can work jointly and that it can be
a fantastic program. And you know, I just
wish them continued success and I hope to
God that it does grow to the point where
it can affect the entire community and
that we can continue to reduce crime.
Councilman Hamilton The only thing I
want is to coordinate this through the
Chief.
Councilman Blewett That's right.
Councilman Hamilton They coordinate it
through the Chief before they take a lot
of actions and have a lot of meetings.
It should be coordinated through the Chief.
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And that is the only thing I'm asking for. I'm
asking this committee to stay on. I think they
ought to change Chairman because it has turned
into a political situation.
Mayor Waldo Well, Mr. Hamilton, you are
turning it into a political thing. I'm not.
Councilman Hamilton This is no disrespect
to you. But now, I the position that you
hold is why I say that, no
Mayor Waldo Because I am Mayor I shouldn't
be that?
Councilman Hamilton That's it, and I wouldn't
chair it if I was offered that.
Mayor Waldo Oh, I see. Well
Councilman Hamilton That's what I'm thinking
about. Not anything that you stated.
Councilman Aguitar There is a motion on the
floor. Mayor.
Mayor Waldo Okay, I'll call for a motion.
Councilman Hamilton You didn't state anything
in that meeting that was political. I was there.
Mayor Waldo I know.
Councilman Hamilton And I see nothing wrong
with it, but due to the overtones that has
happened here, that's what has caused it.
Mayor Waldo You just object to me as a person
being the Chairman.
Councilman Hamilton No, I object to any
Council talking all at the same time)
Mayor Waldo I'll call for the question.
Councilman Aguilar We need a second. Mayor.
Councilman Blewett I seconded it.
Councilman Aguilar Would you please rephrase
the motion. Councilman Hamilton?
Councilman Hamilton THAT ALL OF THE THAT
THE ENTIRE OPERATION OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH
COMMITTEE WILL BE COORDINATED THROUGH THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT. That isn't exactly the way I said
it but
Mayor Waldo Roll Call, please.
Mayor pro tern Kitchel Well, wait a minute now.
Councilman Hamilton That it be coordinated
through that. In other words, the Chief will have
full authority to approve or disapprove anything
that they come up with the policy making committee
Because them unless they've got an attorney, it
might not be legal. That's what I'm thinking about.
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Mayor Waldo But we have the police on the committee.
Councilman Hamilton So I would like for all
Mayor Waldo I'll call for the question, please.
Councilman Hamilton I'd like for the thing to
be coordinated through the Police Department.
That's all I'm asking.
Mayor Waldo Roll Call, please.
Ayes: HAMILTON/BLEWETT. Noes: AGUILAR/KITCHEL/WALDO
Mayor Waldo So ordered.
Councilman Hamilton We wasted a lot of time.
Councilman Blewett I would like to direct a
we haven't had one of those alt night.
Mayor Waldo It's been unanimous almost all
night, hasn't it?
Councilman Blewett Yeah. I would like to
direct a question to you, Mr. Mayor, relative
to the Neighborhood Watch. I would like to
know how much more mail you have to go out,
how much has been sent out and how much more
is intended to be sent out.
Mayor Waldo Well, the series of first meetings
will be completed next Tuesday night. Okay,
then the series of the second meetings will begin
at the end of the month and I believe the series
of the third meetings will begin sometime around
the first of the year.
Councilman Blewett In other words, this series
will be open by next Tuesday. I would so move
that EXCEPT FOR THE MAIL THAT IS GOING OUT FOR
THIS FIRST SERIES OF MEETINGS, THERE WILL BE NO
MORE EXPENDITURE OF CITY MONEY UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER
22 ON ANY MAILING FOR NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH.
Mayor Waldo Well, they won't be
Councilman Blewett I'm sure okay, I make
that a motion and then I'n
Councilman Hamilton I'll second it.
Mayor Waldo Just a minute. The mailings?
Councilman Blewett Yes, until after November 22.
And also, add one other thing in my motion and
you should appreciate this since you claim to be
Scotch all the time
Mayor Waldo Irish. Wrong again.
Councilman Blewett That's poor scotch. Anyway,
the City I noticed something and it's not
well, it's not a big deal but it is something
that is important. The City is a holder of a
bulk mailing permit. Let's not send any more
out first class because you get exactly the
same mail service. In fact, I couldn't believe
it but I came in here the other day and I
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SEND NO MORE NEIGHBOR-
HOOD WATCH MAIL AT
CITY EXPENDITURE UNTIL
AFTER 11/22 ELECTION
SEND BULK MAIL
MOTION SECONDED
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noticed that there was a stack of returns sitting
on one of the secretary's desk and I looked at
it and it was 13(. I've never heard of the
post office returning a 13it addressed only to
the address. I don't think the houses all got
moved or anything.
Mayor Waldo Okay, the problem that we had
with that and I wouldn't like to see that go
for this reason these meetings come fast and
furious and we have a11 had experience with
bulk mail. It doesn't get out when it Is,
supposed to and if people are invited to,come tf
to a meeting you want to make sure th^t.tf^,, * w
have that invitation in hand on the day of
the meeting and that is the reason why t^e^ r^
should go first class. f
Councilman Btewett I don't agree and I'll
tell you why. First of all, it takes a
matter of planning. But I am a bulk mailer
of some repute, as you wilt know. I have
done a lot
Mayor Waldo Well, we have a11 had experience
with bulk mailing and it gets tost.
Councilman Btewett The Post Office Department
and you should send them naturally Occupant"
because you don't care who lives there. Just
send them Occupant." That way, if there is
an occupant, they'll get it. If you go to
the Post Office and you ask them I'd like
it out on a certain day and not after that day,"
this Baldwin Park Post Office is super about
that always have been and still are.
Mayor Waldo Well, I can show you about a
dozen people who have had sad experiences
with any kind of bulk mail.
Councilman Blewett We are talking about
Mayor Waldo It goes in seasons when the
season is heavy for them I understand the
problems of the postal department. If they
happen to have a lot of mail, the bulk mail
doesn't get out with the rest of it. They \
send it back. And for that reason, if you
are going to have a meeting on a certain
night, you want to make sure that those
meetings are that invitation is in their
hands. And that is the reason for it.
You've got you see, you've got thirty people
in there addressing envelopes and if.^hey^-\,,..
and they work hours to do it and if^the
recipient of that invitation doesn't get it,
then a11 the work is for naught. So that
is the reason for the for the First Class
Permit.
Councilman Btewett I don't I don't agree
and I would so include it in my motioivthat
that stuff be sent bulk because I've just
talked with the Post Office and they indicate
to me that they'll be extremely cooperative
about sending out bulk mail.
Mayor Waldo Well, I've talked to them before,
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too, and they've always
Councilman Btewett And they have done Baldwin Park
Post Office is in my opinion is wait till you get
out into the hinderland out near Cucamonga you'll
find out what poor postal service is. Here it's
Councilman Aguilar Did you move out there already?
Councilman Blewett That's where my store is, Mr. Aguilar,
Councilman Aguilar Sure it is. Sure it is.
Councilman Btewett And anyway, the
Mayor Waldo Very well, it's been did we have a
second to that?
Councilman Hamilton I have a question.
Councilman Aguilar There was a second to the original
motion.
Councilman Hamilton I seconded the original motion but
I have a question on this mail deal. I haven't any
what is the number of letters you send out?
Mayor Waldo There is approximately 13,000 residents.
Councilman Hamilton You send that out every
Mayor Waldo We try to.
Councilman Hamilton for every meeting?
Mayor Waldo The City has provided us with a computer
printout. We had our choice of just taking a computer
printout that we would copy by hand and I believe that
cost $90 or $100 versus the type that had the sticker
on it and you could just peel it off and put it on
the envelope. That ran between $500 and $600. The
committee chose the $100 one so that we could save
the taxpayers some money and all the envelopes had
to be addressed by hand in this fashion. That's
what they've been doing.
Councilman Hamilton I know that's a lot of work
but they you mean for each meeting you send out
about 13
Mayor Waldo No, no, no, no, no. The City is
divided into sections and they if they are
going to have a meeting in say, De Anza School,
that's the area they send out the notice to the
people that live in that area. If you are going
to combine two or three areas in one school,
then you send out to the three areas. You follow?
That's how it's worked.
Councilman Hamilton If they continue the program
through, then it would be around 13,000?
Mayor Waldo Yes. For instance, if we had say
we had twelve meetings and you sent out one invitation
at once all at one time for all twelve meetings
people would forget. So you send out just the
invitations to the people in that area. They read
it and then four days later you've got to have
another one out, see? So you've got work parties
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going constantly.
Councilman Aguilar Mayor, in February we gave the
Neighborhood Watch full support and Staff assistance
with a 5-0 vote. Now we are going to take that
we are going to take some of that power away, because
how are they going to get to people to know to
inform people of what the meeting is going to be about?
And that's not right. We gave them full support and
now we are going to take half of it away from them.
Councilman Blewett A11 I'm saying is that until
November 22nd I don't want
Mayor Waldo Well
Councilman Kitchel Well, there are only two
meetings
Mayor Waldo I wouldn't I wouldn't like to see
you take anything away from them but I can tell
you this there won't be another mailing until
the end near the end of November. For your
information, Russ, it will be after the election.
So that that will
Councilman Blewett Then you shouldn't have any
objection
Mayor Waldo Then you don't need the motion
because there is not going to be one.
Councilman Blewett Good. I stand by the motion.
That way that way the Council is on record.
Councilman Aguilar Roll Call.
Mayor Waldo Roll Call, please.
City Clerk Balkus BLEWETT.
Councilman Blewett Aye.
City Clerk Balkus HAMILTON.
Councilman Hamilton Aye.
City Clerk Balkus AGUILAR.
Councilman Aguilar No.
City Clerk Balkus KITCHEL.
Councilman Kitchel Aye.
City Clerk Balkus WALDO.
Mayor Waldo No.
Mayor Waldo So ordered.
Mayor Waldo Now, gentlemen, I hope you realize
what you have done on bulk mailing, because you
could have just possibly have killed the
Neighborhood Watch program. I will now make a
motion THAT WE REVERSE THAT WE DO SEND IT
FIRST RATE LIKE WE HAVE BEEN DOING AFTER SAY,
NOVEMBER 22ND OR NEAR THE END OF NOVEMBER
BUT AFTER THE ELECTION. I'll make a motion
THAT WE CONTINUE TO SEND THEM OUT FIRST RATE MAIL.
Do I have a second to that?
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ROLL CALL
MOTION CARRIED
SEND NEIGHBORHOOp
WATCH MAILINGS
FIRST CLASS MAIL
AFTER 11/22/77
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Mayor Waldo What are we doing figuring?
Councilman Hamilton We are trying to figure out
the cost.
Councilman Blewett $600 or $700. Voices in background)
Councilman Hamilton About $1700. Well, I don't know,
I haven't had too bad experience with bulk mailing
unless you don't get
Mayor Waldo You've got to remember that
Councilman Hamilton don't get them out in time.
Mayor Waldo these mailings have to go out like within
three days of each other. For instance, we have a
meeting, say, Monday and Tuesday. We have to have
we have to have a work party on Wednesday to get them
in the mail Thursday to get them delivered by Monday
as it is. That's with first rate. If they go bulk
rate
Councilman Hamilton They won't get them.
Mayor Waldo They won't get them.
Councilman Hamilton Okay. Well, let's don't do
anything that is going to hinder it.
Councilman Aguilar Second the motion. Mayor.
City Clerk Balkus Mr. Mayor, I was just handed
the Financial Report so maybe you would like to
see that.
Councilman Blewett Pass it around.
Councilman Hamilton $7,500.
Mayor Waldo No. Let's see it and we'11 read it.
Councilman Blewett Why don't we just make copies
for the Council?
Mayor Blewett Would you read that, please?
Everybody seems to be interested,
Acting City Manager Sexton This is entitled
Neighborhood Watch Steering Committee Financial
Report. Cost by the City of Baldwin Park to
date index, blue and white informational for
16M letters and date cards $332.18. Postage
$747.47; computer list of residents $106.50;
name tags $10.34. Total co^t to date $1,196.49.
They go on to indicate volunteer labor and donations,
printing supplies, flyers, plates, negatives, type
setting, ink, etc. $300.00. Coffee, cookies,
fruit, etc. $200.00. Labor 1400 hours at $5.00
per hour folding, printing, organizational and meetings,
maps, etc. $7,000. Total volunteer labor and
donations to date $7,500. There are some other
items here. Requisition No. whatever B-36
will be used for organizational meetings in December
and the committee has not received nor printed for
organizational meetings $333.09. Printing
completed 16,000 blue tetters, 16,000 informa-
tional date cards, 10,000 flyers distributed to
schools and markets, and 5,000 flyers to be
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NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH
FINANCIAL REPORT
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printed this weekend. That's the end of the
report.
Mayor Waldo Very well. So there is a motion
on the floor then to send it First Class.
Councilman Aguilar Second that.
Mayor Waldo Roll Call, please.
City Clerk Balkus WALDO.
Mayor Waldo Aye.
City Clerk Balkus AGUILAR.
Councilman Aguilar Aye.
City Clerk Balkus BLEWETT.
Councilman Blewett No.
City Clerk Balkus KITCHEL.
Councilman Kitchel Aye.
City Clerk Balkus Hamilton.
Councilman Hamilton Aye.
Mayor Waldo So ordered. Now, that motion
that you made not to send out flyers past
this next two meetings. Did that include
Councilman Blewett That's already done now.
Mayor Waldo Did that include the flyers that
were picked up today or that are going to be
mailed tomorrow or what? It did not.
Councilman Blewett Absolutely not.
Mayor Waldo Okay.
Councilman Blewett It only included it
only my motion only excluded the second go
around.
Mayor Waldo Very good.
Councilman Blewett I'm not out I'm not
interested in cutting the heart out of the program
Mayor Waldo Now okay does that does that,
you know, when we get down to the end for the
next mailing, that means you have to start work
on that thing about two or three weeks in advance.
Does that mean that the City will not give use
the paper for the committee to print. It
doesn't Okay, then the City can give the
committee the paper to print for those oncoming
even if they want to do it, say next week,
they can print it. They just can't mail it
until after the election, is that correct?
Councilman Blewett I would prefer I would
prefer that we waited until after the election
to give anything out, quite frankly. I think
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Mayor Waldo I'm not talking about giving it out.
I'm talking about the committee preparing it.
They have to it takes a lot look at all
those manhours of donated labor. There are
not none of them that are professionals. They
have it takes a long time to get that done.
Councilman Blewett You're talking about
you're talking about what now? About
Mayor Waldo Handling it, printing it and
getting it prepared to send out by the end
of this month.
Councilman Hamilton There's nothing wrong
with that.
Councilman Blewett Well, okay.
Mayor Waldo I just wanted to get it clarified
because in that way the committee can go ahead
and work. Very well. Are we through with
is there anything else under New Business?
Okay, this is the time and the place, ladies
and gentlemen, for Oral Communication, and
we invite the citizens to step forward and
speak. Please state your name and address
and please keep your comments to five minutes.
00-
Bob Izell, 3812 Athol, suggested that anything
that was written as Written Communication be
discussed only when it had been made an agenda item,
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Bertha Regus, 5013 Cutter Neighborhood Watch
is fine. I've been doing it for years on my
own. Right now we have rock throwers and my
house is not exempted, along with many of my
neighbors. They still have many rocks on them.
I just had a new roof put on my house because
of the rocks going through the roof. And you
are not even protected in your back yard. One
member of my family this week was hit with a
rock bigger than a hen egg. He was sitting
in the back yard and a man that's very, very
i11. Forty-five minutes lapsed after the
Police was called and the fellow that was on
the switchboard the fellow that came out
said the switchboard hadn't given him the
address so he realty didn't know where to go.
So we catted the second time and he came out.
But of course I wilt say the rocks has ceased
coming my way, but I stilt see them going
other ways. They are using rocks and they
could do an awful tot of damage and I think
we have a number of playgrounds just two
blocks away is a tittle ballpark and I think
Ofive School many people ptay there after
school and they could play in the school grounds.
And I see no reason why that they have to play
and obstruct the traffic tike they do. Many
cars are screeching it's a very short street
across there and there has been near misses
many, many times, so I think it should be
suggested that they don't play baft in the
streets. Thank you.
BOB IZELL RE
WRITTEN COMMUN.
BERTHA REGUS RE
NEIGHBORHOOD
WATCH, ROCK
THROWING AND
PLAYING IN THE
STREETS
Mayor Wat do Thank you, ma'am.
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Gloria Zook, 4817 North La Rica, asked Mayor Waldo
if he voted for the City of Baldwin Park on the
last day of the League of California Cities
Convention in San Francisco.
Mayor Waldo said he had gotten sick and arrived
too late to vote.
Mrs. Zook said she was concerned that an expensive
trip with suites and catered affairs had been
taken and then the City had not voted.
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Michael Dargus, 13260 East Francisquito I want
to address this question to McEwen or Mr. Waldo,
Is the City going to be responsible for the actions
of the Neighborhood Watch?
Mayor Waldo We'll answer that later.
Mr. Dargus Somebody give me an answer on it.
Mayor Waldo You just heard Mr. Kitchel ask us not
to answer questions until it was over with, and we
agreed.
Mr. Dargus Now wait a minute. There is.nothing
personal on this. This is a question I'm interested
in and
Mayor Waldo It w111 be answered.
Mr. Dargus I want an answer. Now, is the City
going to be responsible for the actions of your
community watch or whatever you want to call it?
You know you are going to have different types
of people in that Watch and they are liable to
go off the deep end or low end and something
happens, is the City going to be responsible
for their actions? I want an answer. Simple
as A,B.C. Why can't I have it?
Mayor Waldo You wi11.
Mr. Dargus When?
Mayor Waldo Soon as Oral Communications is
over.
Mr. Dargus Why can't I have it now? You are
going to give me some cockeyed answer that I
can't rebut.
Mayor Waldo Mr. Dargus, you just heard the
policy that he asked to have, and we agreed.
Mr. Dargus What policy?
Mayor Waldo Well, your question will be
answered after Oral Communications,
Mr. Dargus If I remember
Mayor Waldo Mr. Dargus, hold on to
Mr. Dargus Let me get through. A few months
ago I asked some questions here. You said, after,
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GLORIA ZOOK RE
MAYOR WALDO VOTE
AT LEAGUE OF
CALIFORNIA CITIES
CONVENTION
MICHAEL DAR6US
RE NEIGHBORHOOD
WATCH
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and you gave me some cockeyed answer that I
couldn't rebut and when I wanted to rebut,
you told me to sit down. You see?
Mayor Waldo Thank you, Mr. Dargus.
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Cory Tackitt, 13930 E. Merced, reported a
public nuisance at 3707 Baldwin Park Blvd.
at a vacated service station. He referred
to the poor lighting due to brown lights
on Baldwin Park Blvd. and asked if it was
due to the energy shortage.
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Sam Wiest, 14440 Baldwin Park Blvd., stated
that the San Gabriel Vat ley Tribune newspaper
article printed by their reporter was slanted
and should be censored by the Council.
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Bi11 Adrians, 4339 Atderson Now with all
this squabbling going on We take the
Pledge of Allegiance and we say with liberty
and justice for alt" and that that means
everybody is entitled to the liberties and
the justice and to be free in their own
home. We have a Police Department and the
only power that a citizen has under the
California Penal Code is under the Section
837, which is the civilian arrest. That's
the only power that a citizen we citizens
have. I don't think many people realize
that and they had better be damn sure when
they do it. You've got to work in conjunction
as a coordinated, knit system with the Police
Department. Their job is to protect the
citizens. They take their job, knowing the
dangers that are involved and a lot of
policemen have lost their lives trying to
protect people. And how many people turn
around and call them pigs? They are out
there trying to do a job so that you can
sleep nights in the comfort of your own
home and if we don't work with them, what's
the sense of having a Police Department?
We are not looking for a police state or
a military state. All we want is the freedom
to live in peace in our own homes. Now,
as the President of BRAVO, my job is in
veteran's affairs to help a veteran in
any field of benefits that are due them.
And I'm asking the City Council for the
citizens for financial help in order that
I can carry on the work I do for this community
service, for the good of the nation, the state
and the community. I can't operate on nothing.
I have many cases and many veterans in need
not only the veteran but his family and
children as well. I thank you.
At 9:42 P.M. Councilman Aguilar and Deputy
Acting City Attorney McEwen left Council Chambers
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Hallie Slater, 4814 North Stancroft
Councilmen a11 of you I want to say
right off that I think that the Neighborhood
continued)
CORY TACKITT RE
PUBLIC NUISANCE
& LIGHTING ON
BALDWIN PARK BLVD.
SAM WIEST RE
SGV TRIBUNE
NEWSPAPER ARTICLE
BILL ADRIANS RE
NEIGHBORHOOD
WATCH & NEEDS
OF CALIFORNIA
VETERANS
n
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Watch is a good idea. The concept is great.
I'm a11 for it and would hate to see it go down
the tubes. Like Mr. Hamilton said and I haven't
agreed with him too much over a good many years)
but I have agreed with him on most of his comments
about the Neighborhood Match, about the committee
I would like, myself, to see each and every Council
person devoid themselves of this committee as of
now and let Mrs. Hawkins, I believe her name is
whatever be the Chairman and the Police Depart-
ment Chief Cheltino or whoever he designates
to counsel at each meeting, whether it's in some-
body's home- for flyers at each of the meetings
that are held at the schools. I went to the one
that was held in my area and it's very true, there
was nothing mentioned political. But as Council-
man Hamilton brought up, because of your particular
situation because of a11 of your situations at
this point and each and every one of you are
involved in this recall in some way or another),
it would be better for our community, for our
people, for our at last hopefully and it
looks good from what I've seen in just my own
school area) they are beginning to pull together
and whoever started it I don't know it didn't
start in this community it started somewhere else),
but whoever started it in this community, I congrat-
ulate them heartily; I thank them and I know that
the people are smart enough in this town to know
that it is being turned into a political vein.
They read the papers. They see everything that
is said here at the Council Meeting, or quite a
bit of it. *This, in itself might make this
program go down the tubes. This I would hate
to see and Mayor Waldo, if you are as concerned
about this problem as you say you are, then put
your money where your mouth is and step down and
let someone else be Chairman, devoid yourself
of it and let the Police Department take care
of the whole situation, with citizen's input
because the Police Department they are the
ones that are going to have to go out there
and arrest people. They are going to have to
do all the dirty work. After whatever happens
on November 22nd whatever happens whoever
is here whoever is not the Police Department
is still going to be here. They've got to pick
up the pieces of whatever is left. So if you
are as concerned, sir, about this as you say
you are, then you will in all good conscience
resign as Chairman now. Thank you.
Mayor Waldo Thank you.
Larry Couch, 4557 Monterey I'd just like
to ask the Council when they are going to
appoint a leader to the Rotary Club, who has
a very good crime prevention program. The
Chamber of Commerce also has graffiti and
fights has their own small way of fighting
crime in the City of Baldwin Park. When are
you going to put name the President of the
Chamber of Commerce? And what are we trying
to do? I mean, as far as I see it, the only
thing the Council really has is the ability
to withdraw funds from the Neighborhood Watch.
They don't have the authority to tell them
what to do cause they are citizens. They
have the authority to tell the City Council
continued)
9:43 P.M. DEPUTY
A.C.A. MC EWEN
RETURNED TO COUNCIL
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P.M. COUNCILMAN
AGUILAR RETURNED
TO COUNCIL CHAMBERS
LARRY COUCH RE
NEIGHBORHOOD
WATCH
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the Police Department and everybody else what
to do by voting on election day. And sometimes
we make a mistake by voting the wrong way but
It can always be corrected at the next election.
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Jeanne Martens, 14621 Channing I've realty
I know I've heard an awful lot about Neighbor-
hood Watch batted back and forth. I'm realty
concerned about it. I've tried to get something
tike that going in my neighborhood but I'm on a
pretty good street and I guess people are pretty
aware and we pretty much do that ourselves.
Like I was painting and I had my curtains down
and I wanted to go to the Council Meeting. So
I totd my neighbor I won't be home, my curtains
are down, so watch my house, and in fact, my
neighbor behind me left her garage door open
and the motorcycle out and I put the motorcycle
in and closed the garage door. Now that it
1s kind of natural, I think, in a concerned
community and I guess in this community maybe
a lot of others and maybe a tot of tow income
people and stuff tike that whatever the
reason that people don't automatically have
that they need to be taught and that is
fantastic. I tried this Welcome Wagon thing
which is going over tike a lead balloon but
I don't know if I'm ready to give up. And I
talked to Chief Cheftino about in the Welcome
Wagon basket, putting Neighborhood Watch. If
the Welcome Wagon goes, I'm stitt going to do
that, because I think that's a good way of
getting people when they first move in to
join. But I think that whatever can be done
if we can get any good publicity for Neighbor-
hood Watch if any name is left off where
anybody can say it is going to benefit this
one or that one. I think it is two separate
entities. I know I've been told which I
understand it an enigmatic person I guess
that's the word needs to chair the meeting
so that they can keep and hold people's attention
and that if the person is, say, just presenting
it as business, people drift away. They are
not interested; they need to be kept their
interest up. So I can't realty say I know
which way to go, but I realty would tike to
just everybody just do everything they
can to keep this Neighborhood Watch completely,
separately apart from anything to do with,
you know, political just to keep it going,
I think, is a desperate need in this City.
I*m setting my house where I'm at now and
buying another one here in Baldwin Park and
so I don't know what that street is going
to be tike. I haven't lived there yet.
I'ft try to get Neighborhood Watch going
there. I haven't been to a meeting because
there has not been one in my area but the
next two well, I'm kind of in between Jones
and B.P. High, so I'tt probably go to both.
But after this election is over, either with
Welcome Wagon or without, I'll offer it to
the people anything I can do to help with
the Neighborhood Watch, I'tt just be tickled
pink. I think I should wait until after the
election because I'm kind of involved. But
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JEANNE MARTENS RE
NEIGHBORHOOD
WATCH
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I think it is a real important thing and I agree
with Councilman Hamilton. I really agree with
almost everything everybody said in benefit of
Neighborhood Watch. I certainly don't think we
can go wrong by listening to the Police Department,
because they are the ones that knows where the
problems are, where is the heavy areas, where do
we need the most meetings I'm sure we have a
lot of confidence in the people that are running
it. So I guess I understand. I didn't at first
but I understand why the vote went like it did,
and I guess like Councilman Kitchet says, we
just watch and see and if problems come up, I
guess we will take it from there. But there is
only two meetings before the election so I don't
think too much harm can come from that. Thank you.
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Tom Carpenter, 4346 Jerry You know, you can
say all you want about Mr. Waldo and his exposure
at the at these meetings and of course I go
back to the time when I was a Waldo man and he
gave me all these tittle tricks about how he
handled these things, see? He says, I always
keep in front of the people, and I saw to it
that he did. I took hundreds and hundreds of
pictures and kept him in front of them. Not
only that but he says, I show these good things
that I do. Well, he also said he had this
paper in the bag this Treasure Chest. He did.
That started way down in Dallas, because they
put about a two-page spread in there for nothing.
But where he gets the stuff is it's like I
said it's either twelve or thirteen times in
this one little editorial that this stinking
and I call it that Treasure Chest or Herald-Press
or whatever you want to ca11 it now it's the
filthiest thing that ever hit this City, from
what it did to us people. They finally had to
retract and I have a stack of legal papers yea
high to force them to do it. And there is
never two sides to anything. It is just your
sides you three.
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Dwaine Glass, 14345 East Garvey, President
of Glasstein Auto Parts I'd like to speak
for just a moment as a robbee." The defin-
ition of that is somebody who has been robbed.
I don't know how many people here have been
robbed. I know Mr. Hamilton has. He and I
attended the last meeting at the school on
the Neighborhood Watch. But I just finished
building a building on a parts store that
I've run for almost seven years in this City.
It doesn't have any windows in the front of
it. There are four broken windows on the
side of the existing building that I was
modifying or enlarging a broken window
in the office of Intercommunity Improvement
Society, of which I am the President. Not
the last robbery, but one robbery ago, a
woman sat in a house and watched two men
beat a hole in the side of my store and
take $12,000 worth of merchandise. I
understand Ham wasn't insured. I was
insured. I found out the other end of it.
Two weeks of total inventory, all kinds of
interrogations by the police, because the
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DWAINE GLASS RE
NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH
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woman who watched these people beating a hole
in the side of the building wasn't alert enough
to figure out that you don't do that on a
Saturday night and she didn't bother to call
the police. I missed them, coming in from out
of state, by ten minutes and I think if I had
driven in that driveway I would have had a
pretty good chance of being blown away because
if they had the guts to beat a hole in the side
of that building with a sledge hammer she
watched them for half an hour they probably
wouldn't have been too afraid of me when I
came in with my truck. The robbery before
somebody tore a ventilator off the top of my
building and dropped in. It took the next
morning, looking the whole place over, to
find that they had secreted tools wrapped in
a blanket, that they had stolen a stereo
What they had done is that they had left by
one of the entrances which tripped the alarm
to the police. I think that the people that
don't store merchandise even understand what
is involved in miles of wire, tape on windows,
windows being kicked out and being phoned at
four o'clock in the morning and coming down
to board up windows and trying how to get
paid for your tosses even after they are
reported. And then to find out that people
watched and didn't call the police. If any-
thing that has been said here tonight messes
up this Neighborhood Match, it is going to
cost this City not City funds it is going
to cost this City a fortune out of the pocket
of each and every citizen that doesn't receive
the benefit of the Neighborhood Match. I
have been paying for private phone tine,
paying fees to the City to be on their panel,
paying a man to check my system once a year
who I didn't hire, paying the man who put
in my system to fix it every time it goes
out and they go out periodically). You
people ought to try to protect $100,000
worth of merchandise in the time you are
not in your store and then you'd really get
a feel for the worth of the Neighborhood Watch.
Mayor Waldo Thank you, sir.
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Page 42
City Treasurer Montenegro, 4519 North Park
Avenue I heard the many, many comments
spoke in here tonight about Neighborhood
Watch, but there are still some things
that are not dear in my mind and I suppose
it is my fault because I have not realty
made it a point to attend any of these
meetings or find out who the policy makers
are Or what policies are being made, etc. *
But I also hear comments being made as to
the fact that this should be an entire
neighborhood project. I want to ask some
questions of either the Council or the
people from the Neighborhood Watch. I
should make one comment before that is
I realty don't understand the vote the
way the vote went here this evening,
because I've always understood that the
policy makers or taw makers should be
the police. I do want to ask whether
CITY TREASURER
MONTENEGRO RE
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CHAMBERS &
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or not the Council sanction then if the police
the Police Chief has not been given full authority
to conduct and supervise these meetings and provide
its input with laws and so forth, then do they
sanction a vigilante system by the citizens? Are
they going out to take the law into their hands
or what is going on?
Mayor Waldo We'll answer.
Mrs. Montenegro Okay, then in regards to the
entire community project. Does the Neighborhood
Watch plan to have a cross section representation
of community? I don't think that this is going
to work unless it is completely made up by a11
representation the representation of the entire
community young, old, Spanish speaking, English
speaking and this this is the only way it is
going to work. We do know that more than 50% is
Spanish speaking in this town. I don't know if
any of this has come up this evening and I want
to know so that I can make up my mind whether
I am going to support it or shall I just continue
to do what I've done for the past 35 years
40, perhaps since I was a translator for my
parents at the age of five 42, perhaps. And
I am in an area of the community where we don't
really have full police protection from my own
town and I've had to be a neighborhood watcher
for the period of time that I've lived there
and that has been approximately twenty years.
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Councilman Hamilton requested that the nuisance
reported be abated and recommended that the
Staff and Engineering check the lighting on
Baldwin Park Blvd. to see if brighter lighting
was needed.
Deputy Acting City Attorney McEwen In response to
Mr. Dargus's question about the City's liability
for Neighborhood Watch it is my opinion they
would not be liable. The City is only liable
for the actions of its own officers and employees
and not for the actions of the citizens in the
community.
Mayor Waldo Does that answer your question,
Mr. Dargus?
Mr. Dargus No, because the City is condoning
that Watch, so somebody is going to be responsible.
Mayor Waldo No, I think he just answered that,
Mr. Dargus. Okay, I have a response to the lady
that asked me to resign. I have offered to
resign if the committee feels that they want
my resignation I'll be delighted to resign.
I told them that tonight. But I don't under-
stand. A couple of councitmen and the people
that support the recall out there say that I
should resign definitely and I shouldn't be
a part of it. I just wonder where does
it stop? Where does a person stop I'm an
elected official. I'm concerned. My house
has been burglarized. Do I stop everything?
Do I quit going to the grocery store because
somebody may see me and that becomes a conflict
I'm up for election. Where does it stop?
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ABATE NUISANCE
AT 3707 B.P.
BLVD. & CHECK
LIGHTING ON
B.P. BLVD.
DEPUTY A.C.A.
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Do I not go to the dry cleaners because there might
be a couple of people in there, you know. I'm a
person. I'm living and I'm concerned with the
community and as long as that committee wants me
I will be there. In response to Mrs. Montenegro's
the thing is not a vigilante's committee. It
never will be because a11 of these people are told
never, never ever go out and try to stop anything.
First order of business is to contact the police,
then try to contact the person that lives in that
house when you see the burglar trying to get in.
That's what Neighborhood Watch is all about,
Mrs. Montenegro, is looking out for your neighbor.
Not getting out with a shotgun and running up and
down the street, trying to protect it. Never.
And I realize your particular situation, cause
you don't have neighbors living across the street
from you, do you it's the gravel pits, is that
not right?
Mrs. Montenegro We have to call the Irwindale
Police Department
Mayor Waldo yeah, because you live very close
to Irwindale.
Mrs. Montenegro The street belongs to Irwindale.
Mayor Waldo The street belongs to Irwindale, but
you live in Baldwin Park. Yeah, you do have a
particular problem. I have a problem but mine
isn't quite as great as yours. I live across
the street from the school and I have no neighbors
facing me, because what really, really works well
is the two houses facing each other. I can see
my neighbor's front door and his two side gates
and I can see if somebody is coming in behind
and you know, up to the side. That's where it
really works. But I can look out after my
neighbor's property if I hear something in
the side yard by the bedroom, I can look and
I can check and I can warn him. I can call
the police. That's really what Neighborhood
Watch is all about. You know a spin-off of
Neighborhood Watch which wasn't brought up
tonight is that people have a tendency to live
in a neighborhood and not get to know their
neighbors. You know, with Neighborhood Watch,
you get to know your neighbors, and you know
something, they find that old Mr. Smith that
lives down by the corner isn't really a crochety
old you-know-what after all. He's a pretty
good guy. He's just worried about his personal
property and his home his belongings. Good
things come out of this. You get to know your
neighbors. You have barbecues in your back
yard; you have parties in your homes; you
really get to know your neighbor and that's
really where it's at is participation of
the community. And that's all I have to
say, gentlemen. I'll entertain a motion to
Councilman Aguilar Move to adjourn.
Councilman Hamilton One thing before you adjourn,
Mr. Mayor.
Mayor Waldo We have a motion on the floor,
shall we
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Councilman Hamilton Well, it will only be
Mayor Waldo Do you want to back up?
Councilman Hamilton It won't be over thirty
seconds and I thought
Mayor Waldo He said he would back up, so you
can go ahead.
Councilman Hamilton One statement you made
about the two councitmen not favoring you as
a Chairman of this. I don't favor any elected
official chairing this organization you or
anyone else.
Mayor Waldo You have a Co-Chairman. There
are two Chairmen.
Councilman Hamilton I don't favor that at all.
I'm not picking you out per se, but I say this
because when it happens, it tends to turn to
politics political, because you are an elected
official. You are a citizen
Mayor Waldo and Councilman Hamilton both talking
at once)
Councilman Hamilton but you are an elected
official. I don't think any elected official
Mayor Waldo only that you perceive it that way.
Councilman Hamilton You assist but not serve.
That's all. I want to clear that up. Okay,
that's a11 I have to say.
Mayor Waldo Thank you.
Councilman Kitchet I was just about to say,
your thirty seconds were up, but
Councilman Aguilar Move to adjourn.
Councilman Hamilton Second.
Mayor Waldo There are no objections.
So ordered.
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there and if it doesn't disturb the neighbors
I will use it for my own use and I will give
it away if I have to. Clapping in the audience)
Councilman Blewett Well, excuse me, it says
here that the garage must not be used for
home occupational. You are the father of this
community and you are supposed to be a leader
and why don't you start acting like one?
Mayor Waldo I'm occupying that garage myself.
That's right. I just don't park my car in it.
Okay? Any other questions?
Councilman Blewett All I can say is
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Mayor Waldo Please. You may, as soon as he
gets done.
Councilman Blewett I'm through.
Sandra Neat I would like to say something.
I think Mr. Blewett is correct in what he has said
Mayor Waldo May we have your name and address,
please?
Sandra Neat It's Mrs. Neal, 3818 Athol Street
in Baldwin Park. The people that clapped I
can't understand this. We have a situation in
which you are allowed to do what you want. I»
as a proponent of the recall, can not do what
you have done. It is illegal. Why are you
Mayor Waldo I don't understand. What do
you mean?
Sandra Neal I can't print any material out
of my home.
Mayor Waldo Get a printing press. Put it
in your garage.
Sandra Neal And I'm not going to go to jail?
Mayor Waldo No, as long as it is yours and
you doir^t use it for profit.
Sandra Neal As long as that's not what the
Registrar of Voters claim that anything I do
that I print as a mailer that is distributed
to the public is illegal unless you have
Mayor Waldo If it is donated, you can,
Nobody is making any money on it.
Sandra Neal Somebody is making a lot of
something around here. You know you know,
I just can't understand where there is one
set of rules for you fellows on the City Council
and one set of rules for us out here. Even
though I work as a proponent of the recall
and I am for getting it out getting the two
of you removed I just don't understand what
is going on. And sir, I was at, as Mrs. Hawkins
well knows, the very among the first of the
meetings. In fact, I had meetings at my home
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